If the distance for the PT test run was 2.13 miles, am I still allowed to dispute it and request a retest?

CPL Arthur White - A 3 mile PT test is not the standard, 2-miles is the standard. That would be inclusive of Airborne and non-Airborne units. When I was in an Airborne unit we ran 4 miles due to requirements for the unit, but that was separate from an APFT.

SFC Joshua Steen - You do realize not all Warrant Officers are HS to flight school....many of us were NCOs as well as Sr NCOs before taking up the specialty

Which is why you’d think the Chief would know that PFCs don’t measure (nor should they be told to measure) PT Tracks, and that failing an APFT run based on an extra .13 (that’s extremely specific no? How’d he figure that out?) is indicative of a much larger problem.

Generally they also know that thinly veiled physical threats aren’t how Military business is conducted.

Who should get the promotion, the “barely meets the standard” “meets the standard” or “exceeds the standard” soldier?

Here’s the reality, if that private put as much effort into improving his run score as he did trying to lawyer his way out of a failure, (no one here has the whole story, whether this was an initial failure, whether his scores are always marginal, whether he’s a good troop or an oxygen thief) he’d pass his run with room to spare and have credibility to question track length.

What I saw here was a Warrant (and others) commenting far outside his lane with zero info, condemn an entire NCO chain on the word of a private with no background and the justify why marginal performance is perfectly acceptable and “the standard”.

It’s always helpful to good order and discipline for warrants and senior NCOs to take the word of a private with a clearly marginal performance complaint on a public forum to demonize his support chain and hold him up as some example of integrity and leadership.

I’d like to see his PT cards and counseling packet.

SFC Joshua Steen - I like it. Well said. I didn't think of it the way you put it and now gives me a better perspective. I like the way you put it and I concur there SFC!!!

Hell we ran 9 miles cross country in combat boots and fatigues in 49 minutes. Infantry all the way

SGT Charles Oliver - obviously today's Army doesn't require folks to have to walk or run nearly as far as you guys had to back then. Standards have changed, I did Air Assault School in combat boots for the run, but now it is soft shoe athletic running shoes. The requirements for mandatory runs are quarterly in SOME units, not all.

MAJ (Join to see) - Not to mention a 9 minute pace is a failing APFT pace. That would be a 18 minute two miler, which exceeds the minimum standard by over 2 minutes. If the dude was pacing him self and practicing at about a 15:10-15:15 two miler, not meritorious by any means, but then rolls in at 15:55-16:00, because the course 1/10 mile plus longer than 2 miles, it is not right he gets a failing score. The 2 mile run does not make or break the solider. I was never a good runner but I could do an ass of sit-ups (always scored in the 90s) though and could usually score in the 80s on pushups. I could navigate, looked squared away, could road march, always did my job, etc. I am sure we have seen plenty of people that could blast their 2 miles in under 11 minutes but were sorry or inept in other way in many other ways. What is the guy's MOS? Maybe he just isn't a PT stud. I would rather have finance clerk scoring a 180 and getting my pay and promotions right, than a guy with a 300 screwing it up. if he is Infantry, then PT score might be a little more important. Either way, the two mile course should be 2 miles.

SGT Charles Oliver - Us tankers had a saying. "If we gotta run , the army has lost a war" :). But we could drink all night and run 5 miles a couple hours later in the morning.

I have 5 troops in the 17-21 group. I just checked their run times and 30 seconds added would have failed 2 of the passing and caused another to drop from a 300.

3% grade limit? I think back to Camp H.M. Smith and "Cardiac Hill"> Granted, part of the course was down hill but the uphill side was a monster (prob close to a 20% grade) and at least 2 Marines ran that 3 miles in 15 min. This was back in 1975. We all prefer to run on level ground I think. Though I was a Navy Corpsman, my FMF (Fleet Marine Force)quals required me to pass Marine Corps PFT, instead of the much easier Navy standards. At 35 (MANY YEARS AGO) Navy standards required me to run 1 1/2 miles in 15 1/2 MIN. I ran it in the same time required of a 20 year old. 13:45. which would be too slow for the Marine Corps 3 mile run, for my age group. guess I got lazy, though always hated running. was boring

I am not sure what you did in the army but myself being a 13B my whole battery could run 12.30 min 2 mile easy. That is several minutes ahead of the max time allowed. I personally ran under 10 for a few years.

Everyone is not a stud runner. I knew lots of guys that could break 11 minutes but could only do 45 pushups and 55 situps.