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I think you have a legitimate reason to challenge the distance if you think it is more than what is supposed to be.

Consider this as well though...most PT test routes that I have been a part of to include NCOES are actually short by a .10 or 160 meters. I'm not saying it is right but if the results were on the flip side would you be complaining?

To alleviate these problems just administer the test on a 400m track. Its already measured and you don't have to worry about downward/upward slopes. People don't like it because they get bored but I think it is easier to pace yourself than a regular run route.

(If ran in Lane 1)
If a 400-meter track is used, the OIC/NCOIC must add an additional 61 feet, 4 inches to the standard 8 laps to ensure the test’s required 2-mile distance is covered. One lap on a 400-meter track is 92 inches or 2.336 meters shorter than one lap on a 440-yard track. Eight laps on a 400-meter track is 736 inches or 18.69 meters shorter than eight laps (2 miles) on a 440-yard tack. Therefore, Soldiers running on a 400-meter track must run an additional 61 feet, 4 inches.
http://www.armyprt.com/apft/test-site.shtml

(If I ran in lane 8)
Now if I run in lane eight for the same distance each line (except for the 1st line) the lap around the track is 8m longer, give or take few cm. In eight lane, each lap is 456m long (7x8m=56m). This is why sprinters have a staggered start on races longer than 200m (because of the curves). Now if you do 56 x 8 (laps) =448 meters extra for a 2 mile. Worst case scenario you are doing a little over a lap extra than everyone else in lane one.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=711876&page=1

My point is if you apply this to a run route with various curves and turns everyone technically is running a different distance. Im not saying that this is the reason the route is long because for all I know this person measured the route with their car. In my opinion someone should always be there with the person measuirng the route ensuring they are doing it correctly and as a witness just in case discepencies happen like this.

I have been looking for this all afternoon in FM7-22 and cannot find it. What is the reg stating you have to use a wheel as a measuring method for pt tests, ruck marches, etc?
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SFC Glenn Kozak
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While on recruiting duty over 20 years ago, our 1SG had a guy drive his old pickup truck to measure the 2 mile course. Everyone ran faster because it was about a quarter mile short. Best is to run
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SPC Jason Hamilton
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How'd you measure it? A wheel is the only official measurement.
Otherwise, yes. You only have to pass at 2 miles, and if you are testing for promotion points, that 3 point difference in a hard MOST can be the difference between being promoted or not.
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CW4 Scott Hyde
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How do you know the course is exactly 2.13 miles?
How much retraining have you done to get ready for your retest?
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of course if you can prove your case. that one is null and void
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WO1 Information Systems Technician
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we've all fought that battle bro
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SSgt CASS Test Station IMA Advanced Maintenance Technician, IMA
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So, did you pass the retest or not?
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I haven't been given the retest yet
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Not knowing Army regulations I guess you could use your Chain of Command to seek a retest. You have to be able to do that from a position of strength though. Being that close to the limit does not do that for you. I agree that a standard should be just that but I don't know how the order reads. I also know from experience that most leaders are going to encourage you to not place yourself in jeopardy by being so close to the acceptable standard. Know yourself and seek self-improvement. Get on the PT trail and improve your run time so you won't be in this situation again. As to the retest, be careful what you ask for. You might get more than you bargain for. Even though your efforts to rectify this may be well-intended, it may give others an impression of you that will be hard to work your way out of. The boss may not always be right, but he/she is always the boss. You'll gain more by chopping a minute or two off your score than by pushing the envelope.
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SGT Robert Kromminga
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My guard unit took the PT test along the beach, was a nice run, but after each test people would complain that the route was to long - 1 mile out, 1 mile back, I admit that the turn around point wasn't good, it was around a corner that you could not see. So I asked to adjust the route - was given the go ahead - moved the start point back and the turn around point was now at the end of a long straight away - you could see it from about the 1/4 mile mark with no problem. I requested a different unit assist with the scoring. After the test - people complained about the route being to long and scores showed ALOT of people failed. So they blamed me - I fought it and asked for somebody else to check it - We had a actual survey team use the wheel and GPS - just like I did, they stated that the track was good to go, but people still complained. I discussed the matter with the new Battalion Commander and we came up with a solution - The Battalion Commander had HQ company conduct the PT test at a regulation track down the street (nobody wanted to go there - and the company command said we could not get permission from the city); we talk to the city and they posted it off limits during our test time with no problem - the BC then had personal come in from recruiting command and division to conduct and supervise the test. Guess what - the scores still showed that people failed.
Goes show that sometimes unit's and people need to be check by an outside source for confirmation.
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Maj Ken Brown
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Measurement for road courses gets a bit sticky owing to measurement variations depending on one's position in the path of the course. Of course, it should be measured and certified based on the shortest distance (inside route) on all turns. Was this taken into account?
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It was not sir
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I suggest, therefore, that the regulation allows for arbitrary interpretation of the distance to be covered. Some governing agencies' (i.e., NCAA) regulations for distance courses allow distance overage but not shortage. The stated overage argued here exceeds most of these. Forasmuch as the Army is not in the business of certifying race courses, and if the overage stated here is as stated, the measurement can best be described as sloppy but not outside the regulation.
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