Posted on May 3, 2017
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SSG Horizontal Construction Engineer
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Well that's what IG is for, I don't really worry about APFTs cause I mean, the bare minimum is not good for me. I don't even know what the minimum is. Always concentrate on what the max is and try and get that.
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TSgt Kirk Crabtree
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I think you should put on your Big-Boy Pants and keep up with the others that PASSED....
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So you see no problem with the command violating regulations and requiring Soldiers to run more than two football fields extra after their 2 mile run before the timer stops? Do PT scores impact Airmen's promotions, because the APFT definitely impacts Soldiers' promotions. Applying a 2 mile point scale to a 2.13 mile course results in every Soldier losing promotion points they rightfully earned. A 20 y/o male that would earn 274 APFT score with a 2 mile course will only be given a 260 APFT score with an extended 2.13 mile course. That is a 24 promotion point difference. That's like stealing two Achievement Medals (10pts each) and a CoA (5pts) out of each Soldier's promotion packer. Or you could simply hand out a Meritorious Service Medal (25pts) to all the Soldiers from other units who only ran 2 miles that are competing against your Soldiers that you made run 2.13 miles. Plain and simple, the command is screwing its Soldiers.

Insert pathetic name calling personal attack here to belittle disconnected TSgt reliving glory days for improperly belittling a inexperienced PFC that was only seeking guidance on how to get his command to obey regulations and follow established standards.
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SPC Korey Kilburn
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So give him an immediate retest on a remeasured track. See if he passes or fails.
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CPT Larry Hudson
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Whine whine. Standards are applied and expected to be met. Can a soldier dispute a lawful command and expect reasonable redress during combat? No!
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When the standard is not correct, than the leadership has a problem. It was mentioned earlier in the comments that the soldier measured the distance with a wheel. If the soldier took a whole minute to run .13 mile that would turn a failing score into a passing score. Even if he had sprinted that extra distance in 25 seconds, that still would have turned a passing time into a failing time. If the standard is to be upheld, than the standard needs to be set correctly set.
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The PFC is requesting his command obey regulations and follow established standards. The leadership failures and how they are screwing over every Soldier directed to run that 2.13 mile course is the elephant in the room. Have you heard the term "No impact, no idea"? That is how far off target you are with your comments sir.
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SSG Section Chief
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As leaders we have a responsibility to hear any and all complaints from lower enlisted soldiers. If this soldier used a walking stick and measured the course at 2.13 miles the least command should do is order someone go out and remeasure the course with a witness present. If the standard is 2 miles in X amount of time and you fail because the course was actually 2.13 miles then the test should be null and void plain and simple. The standard is 2 miles. Not 2.01...2. We shouldn't be criticizing a young soldier solely for questioning the legitimacy of a test. Especially if no one in his/her command is willing to determine if they are correct.
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SPC Christopher Renkel
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Not to be that guy but at a 7 minute pace a 10th of a mile is 42s. Big difference between maxing a 13 minute 2 mile and getting at or below 80%. The standard is 2 miles. Everyone would be signing a different tune if it was 1 mile 8/10th’s.
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
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I was ask them to measure out the course before retesting, but personally, in your case, I think taking the flag and working your tush off so that you turn your weakness into your strength. Do what you have to do. When I joined up I couldn't do one good pushup, and I was known for always coming in last on a run in high school. I joined up after having 2 kids, so my body wasn't as spry. That being said, I found ways to get better at everything my body was not so great at. I did PT on my own in addition to the unit workouts to improve my pushups and sit ups nightly, and as often as I could get away, I ran distance, sprints, steps, hills, and any other variation to strengthen those muscles. Within a couple years, I was seen as one of the unit's top runners, and kept that standard until I had a wee fall the wrong way and the doctor told me I shouldn't run anymore, or jump, or anything else. After that, it was either the profile platoon or leave military service. When I couldn't walk at all after trying to run 1.5 miles, I decided I should leave. Bottom line: If you want to stay in badly enough, do what you have to do to get through this. If not, save everyone the hassle and leave. Piddling over the extra distance (even if it is your right) will not help you get along any better in your unit. Once they decide you are a problem child, deserved or not, they will not change their opinion of you. If they can't railroad you on the PT they will keep looking for something else even if they have to frame you for it. Yes, it happened to me. No, it wasn't fun. But yes, I survived and came out on top.
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SFC Adam Knecht
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How did you verify the distance??? If the answer is anything other than a walking wheel I’d say you’re outa luck.
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The soldier said he used a wheel, and still his leadership told him to push sand and penalized him anyway.
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PVT Jeromy Markin
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When I was in during my early 30's right after deployment I still managed in the 14 minute range... the extra .13 mile should be adressed at some point but you should be able to maintain good enough fitness for it not to be an issue...
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PV2 Duane Schlender
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Ok.. I have to respond to this...
Listen, the physical fitness test should be followed according to rules established. However, there is a greater concern here. If your in combat, are you going to sue the enemy for shooting you .13 feet before you got to safety? That .13 mile should not be an issue if your properly fit.

I HATE excercise. I hated it growing up, hated it in the army, hate it now... But im also smart enough to know that its important for a soldier.

If I was said soldiers command structure, I would look at the fitness reps for that soldier and find the common denominator. .13 of a mile is stupid to contest, when, during combat, you may need to run 15 miles or get your ass shot off. Period.
If you can't pass the test, do the military a favor and kindly leave like a proper team player, or suck it up and improve so your not the weak link that gets your unit killed as they try to save your sucking wind weak ass.

Im very serious. I hate running worst of all. But im not going to blame the military because im whiny about .13 miles. While your whining, someone is in combat running for their lives and may have to come back and pick your shot up ass off the ground and carry you that .13 miles at a dead run.

Think about what your doing and not doing. Your not entitled to pass a fitness test simply because you can write good legal words.

Pass your test, improve, pass it better, or move over for those that want to succeed and be true team playing soldiers.
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