Posted on May 3, 2017
If the distance for the PT test run was 2.13 miles, am I still allowed to dispute it and request a retest?
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It all comes down to how interested your unit is to adhering to regulations. I legit poured my soul into a Pt test and had SGM toss the score card cause he found out they only used one stop watch thus not testing to standard.
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Yes, you can always request a retest, but I would advise you to be highly tactful when disputing the distance. Are you the only one believing this to be an inaccurately laid out course? Were the average times longer than past tests? Did the top three or four runners in the unit have unusually slow times?
Most important, don't jump the chain of command. Work it up through your immediate supervisor first and give him/her ample time to resolve the issue.
Most important, don't jump the chain of command. Work it up through your immediate supervisor first and give him/her ample time to resolve the issue.
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i had 2 knee ops on my right knee n 1985, and when i got out i was still running 19 minute for 3 miles, which is what the marines run, i weight 185 pounds and was 28/29 years old and was still running that 19 minutes, so quit ur whning about .13 and jsut run faster for the measly 2 miles that u had to run, and how long did u have to complete, we had a max time of 28 minutes
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So when you go to the rifle range and the range master sets your targets at 429, 529, and 729 yards instead of 200, 300, and 500 yards we are suppose to tell you to quit your whining? When your "UNQ" prevents your promotion, we are suppose to tell you to quit your whining? When you get written up for your UNQ and assigned extra duties, we are suppose to tell you to quit your whining? When the Marines that do shoot a qualifying score on the extended rifle range are awarded a lower rifle score that wrongly reduced their cutting score so they get passed over for promotion, telling you that you should shoot better will somehow right the wrongdoing committed by the range master for making your unit fire at targets a mere 0.13 miles farther away than regulations say the target should be? I think your assessment of the 2.13 mile APFT course is well off target. "No impact, no idea"
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In the Marine Corps if you fail a run because it was .13 miles longer you basically suck. However it could affect your chance at promotion, and nobody wants that. So if my record or anything is adversely affected because leadership made an error I'd bring it up.
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Army standard is 2 miles, no extra feet. Minimum time equals 60 points. 61 points exceeds Army standards. There are many body types and ability. That .13 mile may have allowed him to exceed Army standards. The standards are there for a reason.
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If the distance was not 2.0 miles, the entire test is invalid. If the CoC does not support the Standards, maybe they need retraining.
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The standard is 2 miles and should be adhered to. If the additional distance caused you to lose signifcant points for your APFT then make an issue of it. If not ruck on. MSG Ray (ret)
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The difference in .13 miles can add up to a minute or more. Passing is passing. But what about NCOs and the points they get for a PT Score? Maybe that 1 minute is the difference between a 300 and something less? That can cost a unit award for that soldier.
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Unless I missed something, there is no explanation of the why's or how's of the matter, and unless you were there, second guessing what the soldier said is pointless, because you weren't there. I can tell you, from my experience, I have run on courses longer than 2 miles, because of routing and other variables, including laziness, and to imply this occasion is indicative of this soldier's character or heart is BS. The standard is the standard. Period. If the test was incorrectly conducted, then the soldier is authorized to retest at the correct difference. Period. By saying the added distance is no big deal, then I guess, we should just add 5 pushups to the standard just because we feel like it at the time, right?
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SFC Phillip Allen
So, the standard is still 60, at the added distance of approximately 1/8 mile, that adds about 50 sec for an average runner, that's 11 pts, so big difference between someone whose merely an average runner, that the run isn't their best event, and someone who is "going for the minimum".
A couple of meters here or there, extra 20 - 30 meters because someone was lazy, no big deal, I agree, but 1/8 of mile, 210 meters, 620 feet, that's not lazy it's incompetent. NCOs uphold and enforce the standard, anything beyond that is gravy, but the standard is there for a reason, it is the NCO's job to enforce it, whether it's on a soldier who isn't cutting it, and is looking for excuses, or on another NCO who was too lazy to properly check a course, and is affecting the outcome of your soldier's PT test results. How many other people at that PT test got lower scores, or missed what might have been a max PT score because of it? But, nobody bothered to check, until this soldier decided to do some measuring.
Some of you folks need to check your egos, there isn't enough information here to pass any sort of judgment.
A couple of meters here or there, extra 20 - 30 meters because someone was lazy, no big deal, I agree, but 1/8 of mile, 210 meters, 620 feet, that's not lazy it's incompetent. NCOs uphold and enforce the standard, anything beyond that is gravy, but the standard is there for a reason, it is the NCO's job to enforce it, whether it's on a soldier who isn't cutting it, and is looking for excuses, or on another NCO who was too lazy to properly check a course, and is affecting the outcome of your soldier's PT test results. How many other people at that PT test got lower scores, or missed what might have been a max PT score because of it? But, nobody bothered to check, until this soldier decided to do some measuring.
Some of you folks need to check your egos, there isn't enough information here to pass any sort of judgment.
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I had a Commander that if you were below 70% in any event or within 2% body fat, you were put on the Commander's physical fitness to help mitigate Soldiers from failing. Nothing went on record.
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Ironic because a 70 score on a 2 mile run would be a failing pace on a 2.13 mile course. A 20 y/o male would need to run at a 74 pace or above to pass the run on a 2.13 mile course. But don't get wrapped up in a singe Soldier's performance because every Soldier that runs that course is getting screwed.
Add 15% to your last record APFT run time and calculate how your APFT score drops. Then compare how many promotion points you lose. Would you have still made SGT without those points? Would you name have been further down on the PPRL? How much money would you have lost because your command wrongfully denied you the promotion point you would have earned had you only had to run 2 miles?
Add 15% to your last record APFT run time and calculate how your APFT score drops. Then compare how many promotion points you lose. Would you have still made SGT without those points? Would you name have been further down on the PPRL? How much money would you have lost because your command wrongfully denied you the promotion point you would have earned had you only had to run 2 miles?
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