If the distance for the PT test run was 2.13 miles, am I still allowed to dispute it and request a retest?

Is that your same advice for all the Soldiers denied promotions, improperly separated from the Army, or otherwise screwed over by the command because leadership cannot figure out how to accurately measure 2 miles?

What would setting the targets up on the rifle range at 429, 529, and 729 yards, instead of 200, 300, and 500 yards, do to your marksmanship score? Might that impact other Marines' cutting scores so they would be denied promotion? How would adding an extra 15% to your run time impact your cutting score? Do you think running more than two football fields extra at the end of a 2 mile run might adversely effect run times and negatively impact promotion points for every Soldier that had to run the extended 2.13 mile course?

The individual fitness of this PFC is tertiary at best. This leadership failure is screwing over every Soldier that runs that course. It is denying and delaying promotions. It is damaging and ending careers. How would the PFC running faster correct all the issues associated with this leadership failure?

Totally agree with you- so in light of this, the problem is that it is not a problem that a PFC is going to be likely to have a lot of success fixing, and it may do the PFC more harm than good to fight this good fight.

CPO that is why there is a bzo at the beginning of the range a dry run and then a pre qual and then a qual on the range. As for the runs, if you are just barely passing a third class your already in the wrong. And while it does not correct the leadership put fall on something so simple, I can remember one time in my continuing career that I’ve run a course that was true to length and I’m still a first class in both my pft and cft.

Even if you BZO and practice on the invalid course of fire, you and your fellow Marines (& Corpsmen) are going to shoot lower scores. Fewer people will shoot expert and more people will UNQ out. The reduced rifle scores hurt not just marksmanship status but promotability as well. A Soldier must obtain a minimum score of 60 on their 2 mile run, but with this 2.13 mile course, Soldiers need to run at a pace that would score a 74. A 70 is hardly considered "barely passing" but it would result in a fail on the 2.13 mile course. A 20 y/o male PT stud would have to run 50 seconds faster in order to maintain a 100 score on the 2.13 mile course. Everyone gets screwed, not just the lone PFC that should have earned a passing score if the course was really 2 miles.

Instead of telling the PFC to improve his fitness, how about you provide him advice on what you would do if the range master added an extra 229 yards to the course of fire, or the PFT NCO wrongfully extend the length of your run?

SGT Jason Smith Your are incorrect SGT. The standard is 2 miles and, IAW FM 7-22, the Army wants it accurate to the inch.

FM 7-22 C1 (3 May 2013), Appendix A

A-8. The commander should ensure that testing is consistent with regard to events, scoring, clothing, equipment, and facilities.

A-9. The Army Physical Fitness Test personnel must be familiar with all aspects of administration of the APFT. Supervision of Soldiers and laying out the test area are essential duties.

A-16. The OIC and the NCOIC should select a test site that is flat and free of debris. The test site should have the following:
[] A flat, measure 2-mile running course with a solid surface that is not more than 3 percent grade.

A-17. Sound judgment must be used in the selection of a 2-mile run course. There is no requirement to survey 2-mile run courses; however, selected test sites should be free of significant hazards such as traffic, slippery road surfaces, and areas where heavy pollution is present. Running tracks may be used to administer the 2-mile run event. If a 400-meter track is used, the OIC/NCOIC must add an additional 61 feet, 4 inches to the standard 8 laps to ensure the test’s required 2-mile distance is covered. One lap on a 400-meter track is 92 inches shorter than one lap on a 440-yard track. Eight laps on a 400-meter track is 736 inches shorter than eight laps (2 miles) on a 440-yard tack. Therefore, Soldiers running on a 400-meter track must run an additional 61 feet, 4 inches.

A-33. The following facilities are required for administration of the APFT:
[] A measured 2-mile run course.

When looking at the issue of difference. If the run was .13 of a mile short of two miles how many people would have to retake the standard 2 mile run? A standard is a standard regardless. ...... However the soldier that is complaining over a .13 of a mile extra run and can't pass place him or her in the special program.

SFC (Join to see) He said he walked the course with a measuring wheel, which is how he got 2.13 miles.

How does improperly adding 15% to the run time of every Soldier negatively impact their APFT score and reduce their promotion points? How many points separate selection for promotion versus being passed over? How many points separate Soldiers on the PPRL?

Airborne!

SGT, IAW FM 7-22 C1 (3 May 2013), Appendix A (para A-16 and A-17), the Army wants the APFT course 2 miles to the inch with no more than a 3% grade. No where do I see anything about +/- 0.10 mile. Please cite the regulation you reference and include a paragraph number so I may verify your assertion. Preferably you could cut-&-paste the appropriate paragraph into your reply.