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PV2 Ross Bryan
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As I was in the reserves only wanting to put in my time until my discharge date I wasn't under any motivation to excel on the physical test!
The night before the test I worked a full shift
4- Midnight plus a little overtime on my RR
job and was not rested! I sluffed my way through it and went home that evening.
A few weeks later I got a nastygram
from headquarters complaining about how poorly I did on the test and ordered me to see my own doctor and get checked out by him!
This I did and the doc thought I had a case of diabetes and put his opinion on the paperwork sent with the letter, which I mailed back to headquarters. I heard nothing more until just before summer camp in 1967! I had started watching my diet and then realized I would have problems watching my diet on mess hall chow and went to the main guy at the armory and told him I needed separate rations due to my medical condition and diet!
He then told me, You can't have diabetes and be in the army! That was news to me!
He then told me I was excused from summer camp and would be processed out on a medical
Discharge! A few days later I got a letter ordering me to go to Ft Leavenworth and see an army doc for further checks!
I was expecting to be grilled by an lifer, but instead was checked out by a couple of young docs not much older than myself (25).
After being checked over, One of them said to the other, "Do you think he is in bad enough shape for a discharge?" The other doc said
"Hell, he was drafted into this S.O.B. like we were, I say , turn him out!" 27 October 1967
I was discharged, and 2 weeks later it was announced the 842 nd QM was to be activated
for NAM, 16 May 1968!
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SFC Michial Bergen
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Call me an over achiever, but if my run time at that distance just missed me getting maximum score then I would pitch a huge fit. I maxed most of my PT tests and it was always competitive in the units I was assigned. You had to max the PT test and from there it was how many push-ups/sit-ups you did and how fast did you run the 2 miles. As far as not being able to meet the standard...remedial PT for you. You fail to meet the standard then bad on you....do it again then perhaps the military isn't for you. Time for something else
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1SG Rob Smith
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30 year 1SG ILL SAY IT AGAIN.IF THAT SOLDIER FAILS BUT FEELS HE CAN PASS IT TAKING IT AGAIN THEN GIVE HIM THAT RIGHT. ADMINISTER IT TO THE LETTER. ARMY STANDARDS LAST I HEARD WAS STILL 2 MILES. GRADERS MAP OUT THE COURSE TO THE LAST INCH SO THERE WONT BE ANY DISPUTES. AND AGAIN THESE YOUNG SOLDIERS WANT TO MOVE UP THROUGH THE RANKS, GET A LITTLE MORE MONEY IN THERE POCKET. ILL PUT IT A LITTLE MORE BLUNT. GET THE TIT OUT OF THEIR MOUTH.
CPO D C I AM ASSUMING YOU ARE IN THE NAVY. DIFFERENT BRANCHES DIFFERENT STANDARDS
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SSG Brian MacBain
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PFC Victor Herrera, You need to give more history to your question. Did you fail your run by seconds or barely passed it? If you think it was more then two miles, then you can dispute it. But, when you do, keep in mind that you will have to take all three events again. I had a similar issue, but not with PT but with qualifying with your assigned weapon. I was stationed at MacDill AFB (me being an army guy) we have to qualify by AF standards, not Army standards. By AF standards, we had to 10 rounds supported and unsupported prone, 10 rounds standing and 10 rounds kneeing. Army standards (at that time with no foxhole) was 20 supported and 20 unsupported prone position. When I got back to the unit, the CDR ask me if I had passed. I told him this - By AF standards yes, by Army standards no. If the whole company qualified by the AF standards, then no one in his company is qualified. He agreed with me (I was an E5/SGT) and he had the whole company back out there. We had to explain to the AF cadre what was the Army standards were. Bottom line, there is nothing wrong to speak up if you think something is wrong.
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SPC Infantryman
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If you’re depending on it being exactly 2 mikes in order to pass then I agree you have more issues to worry about and you should practice. But the army is built on standards and we are responsible to living up to and enforcing those standards. How then can big army not hold the standard with the test? That .13 of a mile shouldn’t be the deciding factor in passing, but they hold you to the standard and they should hold the standard as well point blank period
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SSG Dale London
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Edited 6 y ago
This is not an issue of physical fitness, it's an issue of integrity. At the end of the day this soldier is left asking this question: "If my command feels free to run fast and loose with this, what else are they cheating at?"
And, yes, extending the distance on an APFT is cheating. Standards must be kept as standards. If we are required to run "x" far in "y" time then it is the responsibility and obligation of the command to ensure that x IS x and not x+. How can a command expect soldiers to be honest if it isn't?
Battalion should be all over this like stink on poop. And if not the Battalion then the IG needs to be involved. This is a breach of faith of the most insidious kind.
To answer the question, YES! This has IG complaint written all over it.
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SSG Dale London
SSG Dale London
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I need at this point to add a corollary: while command is responsible for ensuring x is not x+, the soldier is responsible for ensuring y is not y-.
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SGT Squad Leader
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Im noticing alot of comments on the Assumption that the soldier failed due to the extra 0.13 miles. Well you know what they say about assuming. Could it be that the soldier has Maxed his Run time and other APFT events, but due to the extra distance he is not being credited with that fact ****GASP***. Possibly. We have become so focused on the negative side of every argument. Standards need to be upheld. what is the point of having standards and scores and points if all of it means nothing.
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PFC Artillery Radar Operator
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Run it and still beat the time. Whining about it only to have to retake it doesn't seem like the brightest idea.
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SPC Armor Crew Member
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You can dispute it but if your unit decides to be upset about it they are going to probably bar you from continued service for some other bs reasons if not this
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1LT Susan Bailey
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Personally, if the standard is to run 2 miles and APFT was run and measured for 2.13 miles than this is inherently inappropriate. Besides the ultimate result of passing and failing, those who did pass may have scored lower due to the extra distance for the time recorded.
Going back to the pass or fail outcome, yes, if one failed the run based on a 0.13 difference in the run they probably shouldn’t have, but that’s beside the point.
The point is that it is not an appropriate measure of physical readiness based on the published standards. If the run was inadvertently measured for a longer than standard distance then any of the results are invalid, IMHO. I don’t recall a provision in the regs for a variable distance or estimate.
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