Posted on Mar 8, 2017
If the United States required that all persons serve 1 term (2-4 years) in the Armed Forces, would that help or harm our society over time?
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I would say it would be a good thing for the country IF, and only IF, there were no deferments allowed, except for people with disabilities, all 7 uniformed services took in personnel, not just the Army, and there were possible alternatives (such as serving in the Peace Corps, Reserves, National Guard, Americorps, etc.).
Too many of the privileged never serve, in fact, I think it's less than 2% of the population now that has ever served. There are too many people in this country that don't have a clue what civic duty means, they're into doing what's best for themselves, not helping their fellow citizens, etc. Politicians should be required to serve before beginning elected office, and I could go on and on. And I would make it equally apply to women as well.
Too many of the privileged never serve, in fact, I think it's less than 2% of the population now that has ever served. There are too many people in this country that don't have a clue what civic duty means, they're into doing what's best for themselves, not helping their fellow citizens, etc. Politicians should be required to serve before beginning elected office, and I could go on and on. And I would make it equally apply to women as well.
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1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR)
PFC Erik Daniel Erikson - What in Hell does an old Science Fiction writer have to do with today's consideration on Military Conscriptions? If he were still alive, he would be 117 years old! Not what I would consider an "Up to date" source of intelligence! Additionally, Heinlein considered conscription as "Slavery".. That in itself is "Non-religious blasphemy". It shows an extreme disrespect or contempt towards a term (Slavery) that has deep meaning by the majority our society!
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SFC Kevin Childers
I think some form of national service is a good idea. I do not think it needs to be military service. Not everyone is cut out for the military. Still there are many other forms of service to the nation that could pe offered. I grew up with neighbors who for religious reasons were conscientious objectors. Father served in the navy as a medic. Son was drafted, showed up and was deferred with the suggestion he look into a job with the local VA hospital. He did, started him on his career in nursing.
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Were this to come to pass, I see it as affecting our readiness negatively.
1) A vast majority of service age males couldn't pass the physical standards as it stands now. Its bad enough that the Army allows soldiers to graduate from Basic Training without ever meeting the minimum scores for the APFT. Soldiers only have to score 50 points per event and they will go on to AIT.
2) Economically, the US could not afford to have everyone serve. At some point, I could see Congress cutting pay in order to pay the salaries of all of those on active duty. Or they would raise taxes in order to pay for the additional manpower.
3) The turnover of soldiers would leave a vast majority of the services in a constant state of flux. In the mid to late 80's, the Army Cohort system brought in a battalion's worth of new soldiers who were together from day one. From personal experience, my platoon suffered an almost 67% attrition rate for the three year life cycle of the cohort we received in April 1989. Of the 23 soldiers we received that month, only 7 were still with the platoon on their contracted ETS date. I don't see mandatory service being any different.
4) Congress will still ensure there will be deferrals and you can bet their kids won't ever serve. They'll get out of service some way, some how.
Lastly, this, just like the talk of bringing back the draft is just designed to destroy our military readiness as you don't fix something that ain't broke. But that's just my jaded opinion.
1) A vast majority of service age males couldn't pass the physical standards as it stands now. Its bad enough that the Army allows soldiers to graduate from Basic Training without ever meeting the minimum scores for the APFT. Soldiers only have to score 50 points per event and they will go on to AIT.
2) Economically, the US could not afford to have everyone serve. At some point, I could see Congress cutting pay in order to pay the salaries of all of those on active duty. Or they would raise taxes in order to pay for the additional manpower.
3) The turnover of soldiers would leave a vast majority of the services in a constant state of flux. In the mid to late 80's, the Army Cohort system brought in a battalion's worth of new soldiers who were together from day one. From personal experience, my platoon suffered an almost 67% attrition rate for the three year life cycle of the cohort we received in April 1989. Of the 23 soldiers we received that month, only 7 were still with the platoon on their contracted ETS date. I don't see mandatory service being any different.
4) Congress will still ensure there will be deferrals and you can bet their kids won't ever serve. They'll get out of service some way, some how.
Lastly, this, just like the talk of bringing back the draft is just designed to destroy our military readiness as you don't fix something that ain't broke. But that's just my jaded opinion.
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Sir,
I understand your position and your concerns. The draft (at least in WWII) brought about a certain homogeneity to the American male experience. For all non-hackers, they will stay in the military until they are "hackers". Only the best of all inductees would be retained in service (there is always some inducement that can be found). The remainder would be assigned (in no particular order) to the NG, USAR, with something at the bottom like "Armed Forces - Inactive Reserve". It would also be desirable to come up with a way of getting them in for refresher training at least every other year or every four years.
I understand your position and your concerns. The draft (at least in WWII) brought about a certain homogeneity to the American male experience. For all non-hackers, they will stay in the military until they are "hackers". Only the best of all inductees would be retained in service (there is always some inducement that can be found). The remainder would be assigned (in no particular order) to the NG, USAR, with something at the bottom like "Armed Forces - Inactive Reserve". It would also be desirable to come up with a way of getting them in for refresher training at least every other year or every four years.
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SPC Joseph Nastasi
agree and also should be 3 years mandatory for illegals and immigrants... also once ets w/ honorable all vets should have option and be allowed to carry firearm in all 50 states and 1st in line to be cops firemen and public office.... no public office without prior service no exceptions
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PO1 Charles Babcock
SPC Joseph Nastasi - Beg to differ with you on at least one point, Illegals should NEVER be allowed into the Military since its against the law for them even being IN the USA. Legal Immigrants of all types should be allowed to serve however.
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I only want people serving that want to serve. This would be a bad idea and would do more harm than good. Our military could not handle that many people each year, and the cost would be enormous.
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SP5 (Join to see)
I humbly disagree! Whether drafted or volunteered, all would share in the freedom that we have in our great country - U.S. Especially if threatened by another country.
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MSG Dennis Lane
When I knew I was about to be drafted, I enlisted so that I could have some voice in what I was going to be doing during my required service time. I knew nothing about the military; I was not in great shape; I did what I had to do to survive. In the process, I grew up. I predict that would happen for lots of kids if the draft were reinstated.
My father was a WWII vet, and he knew his son would not be much of a soldier. So he was surprised when I reenlisted. Later, when I got orders for Drill Sergeant School, Dad said I would not be successful. He was wrong, and I loved it so much I extended.
The draft ended while I was a Drill Sergeant; before too long, we integrated women into the Regular Army (women were only authorized to be WACs prior to that point).
So I experienced the draft Army, and I experienced the Volunteer Army (AKA VOLAR back then). The voices in this thread, both positive and negative, ring true. The Draft grows a person up, but it also brings in malcontents who will never grow up. The draft poses leadership challenges, but so does a volunteer force. I think the most positive thing about a mandatory, all-inclusive requirement for some time of universal international service is that it would require people from all walks of life to interact and learn from others, especially with visits to places where things aren't just like where they grew up. They appreciate home better and realize that some things are worth extra effort.
My father was a WWII vet, and he knew his son would not be much of a soldier. So he was surprised when I reenlisted. Later, when I got orders for Drill Sergeant School, Dad said I would not be successful. He was wrong, and I loved it so much I extended.
The draft ended while I was a Drill Sergeant; before too long, we integrated women into the Regular Army (women were only authorized to be WACs prior to that point).
So I experienced the draft Army, and I experienced the Volunteer Army (AKA VOLAR back then). The voices in this thread, both positive and negative, ring true. The Draft grows a person up, but it also brings in malcontents who will never grow up. The draft poses leadership challenges, but so does a volunteer force. I think the most positive thing about a mandatory, all-inclusive requirement for some time of universal international service is that it would require people from all walks of life to interact and learn from others, especially with visits to places where things aren't just like where they grew up. They appreciate home better and realize that some things are worth extra effort.
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Cpl Duane Hallman
I believe the premise in Heinlein’s “Starship Troopers” where all service was voluntary however you could not vote or serve in public office unless you had served. Even if you are blind, deaf, dumb, or all three there is always some job you can qualify for. Citizenship really needs to be earned to be appreciated.
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