Posted on Feb 19, 2016
If you Conceal Carry a Gun what is Your Personal ROE?
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If you Conceal Carry a Gun what is Your Personal Rules of Engagement?
What are the different levels of escalation that you are going to go through when comforted with a situation where you have to pull out your concealed weapon?
Are you prepared for the consequences of shooting or killing an individual in self-defense?
I'm curious about what you have put in place as your personal ROE
What are the different levels of escalation that you are going to go through when comforted with a situation where you have to pull out your concealed weapon?
Are you prepared for the consequences of shooting or killing an individual in self-defense?
I'm curious about what you have put in place as your personal ROE
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My personal ROE are pretty simple. If my sidearm ever comes out, you have taken things to a point where your only remaining option is to go prone and wait for the police to arrive. It won't come out for anything less. Fail to exercise that option, and I hope you're right with your maker, because I am.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs, I think this is a great discussion, sir. In my personal life, shooting will always be an unfortunate last resort. Some people can be dangerous, especially when under the influence of drugs or involved in criminal activity. If it's my life or theirs, then I agree with SGT Lou Meza.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SSG Leonard J W. It has been great discussion - I agree, not because I posted it, but because we have some great responders! Thanks to you as well.
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I go with the thought that if someone points a weapon on me and they're not LEO - my logic is they are planing to use lethal force. When that though is recognized I draw my weapon - again I draw my weapon - not shoot my weapon. This "when" logic applies to hunting as well - there's a big difference in knowing how to shoot and knowing when to shoot.
Lots of range time with bandit targets.
Lots of range time with bandit targets.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SPC David S. You bring up another great point in the fact that if the other personal already has their weapon out and at the ready, if you pull yours form (let's say your concealed holster in the back) wouldn't that signal to the other person that you intended on using lethal force as well - they shoot you while your still pulling out your weapon. Just some food for thought! Thanks for sharing yours!
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SPC David S.
Man grabs shotgun, disarms robber in New Orleans/ Un homme désarme un voleur, saisissant son...
US, Louisiana: a brave man disarms a robber, grabbing his shotgun, then breaks the rear windshield of thugs' Honda Accord. Self-defense on New Orleans street...
Sure there is that possibility just as there is the possibility the aggressor just might shoot you for no reason as well. A lot depends on distance, environment, and in assessing the other factors with the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d804Fk6aUf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d804Fk6aUf8
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SPC David S.
In IL the law is constantly moving and as of late has framed its CCL as one of the strictest in the country. However since we are talking ROE's there is the backside which many have touched on - the legal ramifications in using a firearm to protect yourself. In Illinois the CCW Safe legal service membership program outperforms any other self-defense and or legal defense insurance policy offered by anyone in the country - just an FYI for those in IL. If you own a gun and you keep it in your home I would recommend it. Some stuff with the IL law I don't agree with - veterans only need 8 hours while civilian need 16. As I've know many to be unproficient with firearms in the military this part of the IL law seems like a bad idea. Knowing the law is paramount and not just in your state. I can carry in a number of states due to reciprocity, however each states have their own laws. This is another problem with CCL laws. They are not aligned across state borders.
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I have always been told if you pull your weapon, be ready to use it or lose it. I would rather use it than lose it. too many times people hesitate and become the victim themselves. I myself am not a CC, but I know several officers of law enforcement as well as talked with people that train CCs.
I am seriously thinking of getting mine, but I want to make sure that I am ready for the responsibility that comes with it too.
I am seriously thinking of getting mine, but I want to make sure that I am ready for the responsibility that comes with it too.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
PFC (Join to see) I agree with your comment about use or lose it, but what are the steps that should be taken prior to using it and what instances do you use it to kill? I've worked with some law enforcement officers before in the past they are taught some very strict guidelines on escalation and the use of deadly force. I'm just curious to find out how many concealed carrying veterans or active members have thought about their own personal ROE and levels of threat before taking a life. Again, just a question. I'm disagreeing with anyone and their answers, just curious!
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I would always use my words to try to de-escalate a situation first. sympathy goes a long way before resorting to deadly use of force. however there will be times when you come across a person that you cannot reason with and therefore must use deadly force with.
I have pulled our 9mm on someone that would not leave our property. he tried to force his way into my house, into he had a 9mm in his face. then he went to the street and waited blocking my drive way. when I called the cops, he failed to tell them that he tried to enter my home without me inviting him in. needless to say, the cops told him, his "junkie" wife, and the other village idiot they brought with them to leave. if the came back they would be issued a trespass ticket and could be arrested too. they were also told I had the right to protect my property if they stepped foot onto it again.
normally, I would not do something like that, but that guy was a know drug user, and my husband was not home. the guy was a manager for a plumbing company my husband had left and my husband didn't want anything to do with them because of them doing drugs. he heard the tv on and he thought it was my husband hiding from him. that's why he was trying to push his way in. I reported him to the lumping company....whether they did anything....who knows....
I have pulled our 9mm on someone that would not leave our property. he tried to force his way into my house, into he had a 9mm in his face. then he went to the street and waited blocking my drive way. when I called the cops, he failed to tell them that he tried to enter my home without me inviting him in. needless to say, the cops told him, his "junkie" wife, and the other village idiot they brought with them to leave. if the came back they would be issued a trespass ticket and could be arrested too. they were also told I had the right to protect my property if they stepped foot onto it again.
normally, I would not do something like that, but that guy was a know drug user, and my husband was not home. the guy was a manager for a plumbing company my husband had left and my husband didn't want anything to do with them because of them doing drugs. he heard the tv on and he thought it was my husband hiding from him. that's why he was trying to push his way in. I reported him to the lumping company....whether they did anything....who knows....
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
PFC (Join to see) Agreed - thanks for sharing your experience above - you did the right thing and that instance I would have done the same!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - thank you. that guy had me angry and scared at the same time.
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I would only pull to protect family, myself or if someone I feel is about to die. I have heard about people who have killed for property and I don't think I could do that.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
A1C (Join to see) That's a tough call - I agree with you about just the property (that is replaceable), life isn't - thanks for you comments!
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Remember to carry it. Seriously, I have had a carry permit for years and the only time I have actually carried was when there was an alarm at my daughter's bank where she was employed. Because the LEOs get nervous when they discover you have a firearm, I don't carry normally.
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