Posted on Feb 16, 2016
If you found out your Leader or Immediate Supervisor was doing something against the law, like fraud, what would you do?
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.
What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?
Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?
How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?
Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?
How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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The right thing to due is to report to the proper higher individual in your chain of command. But, from experience I can tell you I had a situation which I did so, and it cost me my next promotion due to retaliation. They tried their darndest to bust me from the current rank I was at by right me up with one counseling statement after another. I think I ended up with 12 or 14 counseling statements. They told me that those would stay in the section itself. But. they didn't. Another SM also did what I did and was busted from E-5 to E-4 and they told him that he would get his rank back once we returned stateside. I saw him a few years later and he was still and E-4. So, all I can say is you know what is right to do but, the consequences could be bad. Just s=telling you what happened to me. It's sad that this goes on but, the question is; "what should you do?" The regulation states to report violations without the fear of retaliation. Again, even though I had proof and went to the IG and JAG when I was being retaliating against, I was told by the IG that he was there for the Command. JAG told me that they couldn't do anything for me because they were there for the Command. So, I was disappointed and went into depression where I went to the Bridge Chaplain and Hospital for help which I received massive help but, never was able to receive my nest promotion to the next level. I saw my military career spiral down to where I was never so happy to see my end date when it came. I was a hell of a Trooper who did everything asked and went above and beyond to live the Army Ethos. But, at the end I was disappointed and left with a really bad taste in mouth. I knew what I did was right but, at the same time I watched all those around me pass me up in rank and career advancement. Very sad but very true.
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SPC Donald Donovan
Just after leaving the service I was hired as an exchange detective for AAFES (Army and Air Force exchange service). After working for six months I found the exchange director manager using the official vehicle for unofficial use. I reported it to my superiors, and was told they would look into it. Long story short, I received the Termination letter to weeks later. No good deed goes unpunished
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SSG Darrell Bullock
Been there to many times. But at least I can still look at myself in the mirror with out shame.
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Hey, I am from Chicago so I sez, "Hey SIR, I get 7% of the action or I tell Greasy Thumb Goozick and his boys will stomp you into Keelbratwurst."
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SSG James Green
I red some of the responses from higher rank officers and found it refreshing to know they do have a sense of humor.
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SSG (Join to see)
Why resign?
If you are right stand up.
Don't let them make you leave if your not ready!
That means they beat you and the system
If you are right stand up.
Don't let them make you leave if your not ready!
That means they beat you and the system
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To tell the Truth, it would depend on their rank and reputation around the base. If they are a full bird Col. Or higher, I would take that as a sign from God to request a personal meeting with them. And explain to them that if a low enlisted rank individual like me caught him , how long does he think he has before one of his peers expose him or her ? Then have a quick come to Jesus talk, and then ask for a transfer to the other side of the country, and take that secret to the grave.
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Integrity check! The higher up it goes the more courage it takes but, it is your duty to report it. You may also have to plan your exit strategy if it is a civilian job.
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turn them in. do not get yourself caught up in their lies because they could try and drag you into it with them.
yes, you have rights as a whistleblower. speak with a jag officer to protect yourself.
yes, you have rights as a whistleblower. speak with a jag officer to protect yourself.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - Mikel; Stand by your principles (and your oath). Report immediately upon confirmation of wrong doing.
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Without hesitation, I would turn them in. I once had a Company Commander who tried to cover up a fuel spill from one of our fuel tankers. His actions were not only illegal; they were unethical. I turned him in to both military and civil authorities. Yes, I took a lot of hits from people for doing so, even had a Brigade Commander tell me my actions brought disgrace to my uniform. Immediately after he walked away, the Brigade CSM shook my hand and said, "I'd follow you, sir."
Either our oaths mean something, or they don't. It's as simple as that.
Either our oaths mean something, or they don't. It's as simple as that.
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SGT Jim Wiseman
I have to wonder what type of person that BC was. I've seen some really bad officers and senior NCO's in the time I was in. I had a commo officer while we were in Afghanistan who apparently couldn't understand that you can't retrans a satellite. He asked the question in the TOC after inquiring if the air asset we had in the air for our radio ops that were troubled by the terrain. I realized officers get assigned a branch, but when you're in charge of a section for a deployment, you should have more on the ball!
I know you wouldn't want to be inhibited in career advancement to a position like General, but when there are those in Infantry and combat arms units with no experience in combat IOT give them the opportunity to advance, it's reckless in the extreme to place someone with no idea what they're doing in charge of people's lives. I don't know what kind of unit you were in Sir, but if that BC was in charge, I might worry. Sounds as if maybe that CSM was too. I have a good idea about that CSM, though!
On a personal note for this overall observation, for the same deployment mentioned above, we had an OPS SGM who had (by the reports I heard) served a large portion of his 27 year (at that time) career doing NG and Res. service. When he went AD, I don't know, and I don't know what he had polished to get the position, but... In the TOC during a TIC one time, while the rest of BN CMD was around the map table, this SGM came over to us directly at the radios, took the toothpick from his mouth and said, "Ya'll's work station is dirty. I suggest you clean it up." He ended up in BDE at Jalalabad, far away not long after that. A far more capable man came into the position who still had MSG on his CAC. I'm pretty sure he was frocked, at least until his paperwork went through. Keep in mind, I entered the Army the previous year as an E-1 FUZZY when I was nearly 37. I'm 11B MOSQ'd.
Political expediency is a poor substitute for any job fulfillment! Sorry I got off topic of the original thread.
I know you wouldn't want to be inhibited in career advancement to a position like General, but when there are those in Infantry and combat arms units with no experience in combat IOT give them the opportunity to advance, it's reckless in the extreme to place someone with no idea what they're doing in charge of people's lives. I don't know what kind of unit you were in Sir, but if that BC was in charge, I might worry. Sounds as if maybe that CSM was too. I have a good idea about that CSM, though!
On a personal note for this overall observation, for the same deployment mentioned above, we had an OPS SGM who had (by the reports I heard) served a large portion of his 27 year (at that time) career doing NG and Res. service. When he went AD, I don't know, and I don't know what he had polished to get the position, but... In the TOC during a TIC one time, while the rest of BN CMD was around the map table, this SGM came over to us directly at the radios, took the toothpick from his mouth and said, "Ya'll's work station is dirty. I suggest you clean it up." He ended up in BDE at Jalalabad, far away not long after that. A far more capable man came into the position who still had MSG on his CAC. I'm pretty sure he was frocked, at least until his paperwork went through. Keep in mind, I entered the Army the previous year as an E-1 FUZZY when I was nearly 37. I'm 11B MOSQ'd.
Political expediency is a poor substitute for any job fulfillment! Sorry I got off topic of the original thread.
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COL first I would have to say that is not a black and white issue. If they were robbing banks, running drugs, etc... that would be a bad thing and bad things would follow. However, if they took a lobster home that was day early or late in the season, or would drive 5, 10, or 65 miles over the speed limit I might think eh just guy.
COL I am sorry I even started this as I re read what I have written I realize that is complete and total nonsense. The truth is your IQ might have fallen just from reading it.
COL I am sorry I even started this as I re read what I have written I realize that is complete and total nonsense. The truth is your IQ might have fallen just from reading it.
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Contact the IG if that person did not work for the Boss, or the next level up if necessary in question back that up with a letter to my Congress-critter at a minimum and make sure that the folks I notify know that Congress has been formally notified also
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