Posted on Feb 16, 2016
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.

What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?

Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?

How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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SP5 Michael Cates
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Turn them in!
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SP5 Michael Cates
SP5 Michael Cates
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Answer! My daughter who was 21 when she saw a manager stealing from the store whe worked in and told the Upper Manager and the Manager was removed! She did the right thing! Oh she thought about what to do for a couple of days then made up her own mind and then told me what had happened and what she felt that she had to do!
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PFC Bobby Smith
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depends, he or ghe could make it very hard for you
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SP5 Michael Cates
SP5 Michael Cates
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At the end ALL YOU HAVE IS YOUR REPUTATION! But before the end you will always be happy and make a lot of Great Friends that respect you for your honesty!
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Capt Rich Buckley
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Your simple question holds a complexity of possible answers. Simple yes and no, may miss the mark; right or wrong my also be preconditioned by a life of learning where you find yourself as fitting in, only to realize you may not like your role. Are you sacrificing yourself only in a moral-ethical cause, or are you sacrificing the entire war and altering the direction of humanity?

In this conscious world, our moral compass has been set by now. We believe in what we do. We see ourselves as ethical, moral beings; we see our comrades as serving the same cause as our brothers in arms. We will not leave them behind. The mission comes first. We call it duty. We are devoted to duty, honor, country (Constitution) and find those qualities are resident in our leader, though sometimes through a foggy lens.

When in doubt, win the war.

It’s up to you to decide for yourself, which war must be won. You will most likely be sacrificing yourself either way. Your first instinct is always noble. I choose to sacrifice myself. This is your higher self translated by ego and personality talking.

Your second instinct is usually the necessary call: Win the war, fight on.

The answer is simple only when you know all the facts and lives are not in jeopardy.

Pray you are not in battle with the deep state as POTUS seems to be right now. Layer upon layer of complexities of the deep state emerge as the multi-headed dragon biting at him in their team effort, each dragon’s head biting at POTUS in service-to-self caring nothing about anyone but itself. As you read this missive the deep state has finally realized, the only way to get rid of POTUS is to kill him. It is now a fight to the finish.

USING THE LOCKDOWN

Lockdown by Robert David Steele:

Arresting child trafficking rings, the deep state Achilles Heel.

“It’s good to keep people out of the way whilst they arrest these incredibly dangerous and powerful people because they will not go down without a fight.”

When in doubt, win the war.

If you see some hand of the divine at play, observe with awe.
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Capt Rich Buckley
Capt Rich Buckley
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Until you find yourself in the gray zone and don't know what to believe. You may have wrong information, or incomplete information. When in doubt, win the war.

“Logical thinking is important, but insufficient. In a maze of deception, you also need to be able to unlearn, and recognise you have been fooled. This is an emotional skill, as it means dealing with a hurt ego and the loss of the “feeling of knowing”, Martin Geddes,
https://www.onq.martingeddes.com/
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GySgt Marc Dickerson
GySgt Marc Dickerson
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Spoken like a true politician or lawyer. Honor and truth are very simple things. You either forgot this, or never learned it.
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Capt Rich Buckley
Capt Rich Buckley
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Often our duty of office calls upon us to act without full information. This leads to bitterness and negativity, and disrespect. If your formula works, keep going with it. Use your personal discernment.

But we are in the apocalypse right now... deception and misdirection is everywhere. It's not the end of times, but the change of times and revealing of a new beginning.

Fr. Richard Rohr, Franciscan trained, I sense offers a guidance for us at this juncture (I'm not Catholic, but this holy man speaks truth)

“Our best response is to end our fight with reality-as-it-is. We will benefit from anything that approaches a welcoming prayer—diving into the change positively, preemptively, saying, “Come, what is; teach me your good lessons.” Saying yes to “What is” ironically sets us up for “What if?” Otherwise, we get trapped in the negative past.”

https://email.cac.org/t/d-e-qttkhtt-tlkrthtdf-v/

This doesn't require complexity of glibness, but simple faith. Yours works for you, mine works for me.
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Capt Ken Davis
Capt Ken Davis
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Capt Rich Buckley - That's why we have investigations. The UCMJ is very clear. It is the duty and responsibility of the individual observing the violation to report the incident to higher headquarters so that authority can assign an investigation. It is the investigating officers responsibility to assign blame.
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SPC Daniel Rankin
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I found some black marketing activity going on in Korea once, I notified the camp security and they said thank you, but we have been watching them for a couple of weeks. The action against them people came down about three days later.
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A word of caution, if you decide to to take that step to do the right thing make sure you have all the facts and documents. Once you decide to turn them in you will be among the whistle Blowers. You will lose support from friends and Chain of Command. In 1985 I turned in a Senior Officer for embezzlement, fraud and having ties to the KKK. I went AWOL to another post and turned over all documents over to the Post Commander. What I received was a phone call from my branch manager telling me that I have a snow balls chance in hell of making E-6 and E-7 is out of the question. I went to the Board for E-6 three times ,passed twice failed once. I retired in 2015 as an E-5 with 17 years time in grade and 25 years of Service. If I had to do do it all over again, I would do it in a heart beat; because it was the right thing to do at the time. I have always despised Toxic Leadership and bad NCO's. Bad Officers are the result of bad NCO's.
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SCPO Ken Badoian
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Another canned question. You know the answer, 1. report it to the appropriate investigation authority, 2. up the chain. You are NOT a whistleblower but with this BS question more like blowing wind.
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