Posted on Dec 13, 2013
SGM Matthew Quick
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If you had a choice, which uniform pattern/style would you want to wear?<div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb(44, 44, 44); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;">This year, the Joint Staff’s top enlisted adviser, Marine Sgt. Maj. Bryan Battaglia, said the mix of uniforms makes the U.S. military look like a “Baskin-Robbins” and signaled his support for a common uniform.<br></span><br><span style="color: rgb(44, 44, 44); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;">But Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos recently said preserving the Corps’ MARPAT pattern is a top priority and declared that his service will stick to it “like a hobo to a ham sandwich.”</span><br></div>
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A universal camouflage across all the services makes sense. Bottom line, its about combat effectiveness.  All the politics surrounding the individual services wanting to preserve their own pattern is bull.  You have service and dress uniforms to show off the 'uniqueness' of your own service.  Politics of that nature have no place in selecting or wearing utility uniforms.
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MSG Bobby Ewing
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I will jump on the bandwagon with those that have stated it already, the BDUs and DCUs should have never went away. We were uniformed across the services and the Marine Corps still looked uniformed with the Army while wearing their individually styled PCs.


Someone mentioned it above, we have our dress uniforms which make us unique and can be worn in garrison environments, but a uniformed fatigues across the service is best.

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MARPAT!
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LTC Jason Bartlett
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MARPAT is a direct derivative of CADPAT (Canadian 1996). Of each of these patents issued they both site the US Army's (LTC O'Neill) work as the basis for MARPAT and CADPAT. Digital Camo is over three decades old and was first fielded in Germany by 2nd ACR in the late 70's. So as Marines are you sure you want to continue to wear a uniform developed by the U.S. Army?   
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MAJ Daniel Buchholz
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I know that would be my choice.  The woodland MARPAT (which would need a name change before wide adoption, as well as subtraction of the globe and anchor) is extremely well suited for North America.  I was driving up to MCB Quantico one time and was kind of concerned when I didn't see anyone at the gate.  Only when we 50m away did I finally make out the Marines against the woodline.
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CH (CPT) Squadron Chaplain
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Multicam is the best. I'd be just fine with MARPAT though.
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I blame this whole debacle on MARPAT and the USMC. They went and changed their uniform and the Army could not stand it. We had to copy them. What we got is and always has been a total failure. The UCP ACU has been an abomination to camouflage since it's inception. I recall the first field problem I went to when the pattern was being initially fielded. Since it was still fairly new the UCP was still the minority uniform in the formation. We went to the back woods of Fort Stewart and upon arrival could IMMEDIATELY identify and count every single Soldier wearing ACUs; the troops in BDUs blended in. That along with the reliability issues that popped up soon after has created in me a total dislike towards the ACU that will not cease until the day I can officially burn them. OCP cannot be fielded soon enough.
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TSgt Scott Hurley
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That reminds me of the first go around in the Air Force with the *cough*Smurf*cough* blue tiger stripe pattern. Man did we not like them. Thank goodness they were only in the testing phase. But man did they not blend in. The Navy is now using the blue uniform. The digi pattern the Air Force is using is ok. Still tiger stripe thou. But the MARPAT is the best in my opinion. And yes the Marines are to blame for the uniform mess.
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Sgt Cody Dumont
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You can't copy the Marines, but you can join us.
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The MARPAT is one reason why we have the explosion of camo patterns for all the branches as it is.  I understand wanting to be identified as a Marine, Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or coastie, but isnt it all about our country and who we serve.  I say lets all adopt the Multicam, or MARPAT, put a little logo on the pocket for your branch, and calling it a day.  We have spent billions across the DOD for abominiations like the ACU, ABU, and Aqua-Camo and its one of the many reasons our budgets are suffering
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MCPO Robert Kelley
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I still don't understand the USN NWU, why would you want to make yourself harder to see at sea (nevermind in the sea)?  I just don't understand where that uniform would be a benefit.  Having worn the Coast Guard ODU for some time I do understand the utility improvements of the change, just not the need for the color pattern.

 

I don't see the need to wear any of the utility uniforms in an office enviroment.

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I think a good rule of thumb is to avoid any attempt to field uniform ideas that appear in movies based on video games or comic books! Seriously, the Navy's NWU had "Bad idea" written all over it. 
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Even rapper Master-P's late 90's attempt to appear both military and menacing as part of the “No-Limit Soldiers” could and should have served as a warning to the Navy against strange and unusual colored camouflage patterns.  We can only wonder how exactly this NWU even came into existance and was funded at all! 
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SPC Christopher Morehouse
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"Man overboard... I think.."
Really, they navy just wanted their guys to look tacticool. Like a "hey were are in the military too guys! We have nifty camo uniforms too!"
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PO1 Paul McWilliams
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Sailors have already been wearing blue uniforms at sea for probably close to 100 years, if not longer. My experience was that a big part of what you do on a navy ship is paint stuff gray. It doesn't take long before that gray paint gets onto your blue coveralls, and they start to take on a blue a gray camouflage pattern anyway. So, if it meant that you could get more wear out of paint-stained uniforms, the NWU could make a lot of sense. 

However, I expect that they still frown upon sailors showing up for underway watches with paint-stained NWUs...
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
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Why not just be FABULOUS!!!! :) Imagine How ISIS would feel getting taken out by Spec Ops wearing these?
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LMAO!! Good one
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LTC Paul Labrador
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One of the few things that Robert MacNamara did right as the SecDef was to streamline the logistical procurement process, to include mandating that all 4 services use the same equipment that did not have a unique need for that service.  He was correct in that there is no reason why the 4 services need different boots, shoes, small arms, and yes camouflage uniforms.  It is inordinately less expensive to produce 1 general uniform pattern than 12.  Let the services make minor cosmetic alterations if they want (ie patches, rank insignia, etc) if they HAVE to have some level of uniqueness.  I don't buy the whole "service pride" argument as a need for separate field uniforms.  That is what dress uniforms are for.  Downrange, I want an American to be instantly recognizable to me as an American.

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Amen Sir.  Service Pride is what Class A's & Dress are for.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#4d4d4d" face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: 10px;">The Multicam uniform is amazing in wear and in meeting its designed purpose: TO ACTUALLY CAMOUFLAGE US!</span></font><br></p>
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