Posted on Sep 7, 2016
If you saw one of your Joes doing this, how would you react?
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I went to basic with this SM and saw on his Facebook that he went to Prom in his ACU's. How would you go about mentoring one of your subordinates that are in violation of AR670-1?
AR670-1 Chapter 4 Section 3 Line 2... That's what I found in the reg, please attach anything else you find
**EDIT** This is not a Dance, but it is some Formal assembly and to the best of my knowledge he is not on Duty.. Class A's would of been appropriate (as long as it's in regs, which I'm sure isn't hard since he would only have 1 ribbon)
AR670-1 Chapter 4 Section 3 Line 2... That's what I found in the reg, please attach anything else you find
**EDIT** This is not a Dance, but it is some Formal assembly and to the best of my knowledge he is not on Duty.. Class A's would of been appropriate (as long as it's in regs, which I'm sure isn't hard since he would only have 1 ribbon)
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Just bring it to his attention. Maybe he didn't know. Just do it on the sly. No need to get anyone involved. You might suggest he take the picture down. Stupid mistakes are one thing. Stupid mistakes with photographic evidence can end with you signing papers. Not worth it.
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SPC (Join to see)
All due respect TSGT, released your 2nd sentence. Someone who scores high surely knows to put "asked" rather than "ask" TSgt Frank Shirley -
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SFC (Join to see)
SFC Damon is spot on. This would also be a good situation to have a new NCO give the Soldier the education. Teach them both at the same time.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
Good response to a good question SFC Moysard. Meaning being, don't assume anything like that he knew better and was doing it intentionally. In reading it though I see something else - "one of your joes". If he is one of yours and didn't know then that's "shame on you" and I mean no offense toward you SPC Bernardy personally but to the theoretical person observing it. Handle in the most discreet and least humiliating manner possible. Praise publicly and counsel privately. The worst thing to do would be to make a scene and second worst is to ignore it. Once you talk privately with him then develop a course of action to fit the level of his infraction. No matter how senior you may be there is always someone senior to you. You may have the rank to tear him a new one but just think how you would feel if someone did that to you. The Golden Rule definitely applies. Best Wishes to all.
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PO2 Jeffery Reiser
Nowadays, I am surprised the even let this trooper in with all of the negative hype towards our men and women in uniform by school staff and administrators in today's society.
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Give him a high five for dating a cheerleader and then tell him he looks like an idiot wearing his ACU's for that picture.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
"Dating a cheerleader" is not ALL that. They become "regular" women after leaving high school...plus do you really want to date or marry someone who lives in the past?
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How do you know this isn't JROTC uniform day at said high school and/or if he has enlisted already but not gone to basic he might have been issued the uniform and not know the regs. No flag or unit patch and seeing if he was young and very recent to the military he would have been issued the scorpion style uniform I am leaning towards the JROTC and am going to say good for him for being proud of it.
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SPC Don Wynn
A1C Tammy Lynn - Same. We actually didn't even have ACUs, but if we had, as a freshman you are taught what is appropriate.
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SSG Brian G.
SPC (Join to see) - Incorrect. As long as it was not specifically a social function any troop can wear them unless command specifically commands otherwise. Check 670-1 section 3-3
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SSG Brian MacBain
TSgt Frank Shirley - So far in all the response that you have given and you were ask to take off the CAPS off (when CAPS on, means yelling) and still you keep caps on brings into a question in my head that I have to ask you - "WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION NUMSKULL???? So, being ask again, take off the caps and reply like everyone else.
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Since you got this from someone's facebook it is just a picture... Why is everyone assuming he is dating a minor and breaking a rule? That could be taken at the dining facility on base where he is posing, on his lunch break, with his kid sister who is the local homecoming queen nominee, on game day. For all we know he is going to run home after his shift is over, jump into some jeans and haul butt over to the stadium next door to root for the bulldogs! Since you do not have the whole story and are not there.. I would say you would do well to stay out of it. Assumptions are dangerous things.
If this was a subordinate of yours then you should ask him about the picture and see what he says. You could be mistaken on your assumption. Most people usually are. If you find he is in fact violating code then have that discussion. You are obligated to do so as his superior. Sorry I figured since everyone else was so ready to jump all over this kid, I would take the other stance.
If this was a subordinate of yours then you should ask him about the picture and see what he says. You could be mistaken on your assumption. Most people usually are. If you find he is in fact violating code then have that discussion. You are obligated to do so as his superior. Sorry I figured since everyone else was so ready to jump all over this kid, I would take the other stance.
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As many have stated, it can be perceived negatively. Therefore, it's wrong. I read "prom" and think he's over 18 and possibly dating someone underage - perception. More important and objective, if it were an appropriate event, he should be in dress attire. As SFC (Join to see) stated, it's already done. Best to tell him why its wrong and show him where to look. If he seems not to care, then you have a bigger issue. If he seems somewhat embarrassed and understands, he should consider asking people to take it down.
Let's be real. We all think certain things we know now should've been stressed during BCT/AIT/OSUT. A DS has a hard job for 3 months -creating a Soldier from a civilian. That's why everyone has to do their part - Army Values, everyone's a Leader with basic military authority (regardless of rank - senior or subordinate). Cover down, SPC.
Let's be real. We all think certain things we know now should've been stressed during BCT/AIT/OSUT. A DS has a hard job for 3 months -creating a Soldier from a civilian. That's why everyone has to do their part - Army Values, everyone's a Leader with basic military authority (regardless of rank - senior or subordinate). Cover down, SPC.
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Sgt Matt Chapman
While a lot of times the +18 dating a 17 year old you might think is wrong...it usually isn't. If you were 18 and a senior and had a gf that was 16 and a sophomore...it would be extremely hard to prosecute. This kid is either on boot leave or he went to boot during his junior year (which happens a lot more than you think) and went back to finish his senior year and was already a soldier. In that case...he doesn't really "know" the regs...and even if he does...maybe his gf finds his acid sexy and asked him to wear them...
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
Where did the notion of "If it can be perceived as wrong, then it is wrong" originate from?
In today's fragile snowflake society....people can confuse Mickey Mouse with a 6-foot rat.
In today's fragile snowflake society....people can confuse Mickey Mouse with a 6-foot rat.
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SGT (Join to see)
Cpl Christopher Bishop - Good point. I had to reread my comment to ensure I said that - poor choice words. As it reads, I'm wrong.
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SPC David Willis
Regarding age of consent, I was always told that regardless of state laws, under UCMJ age of consent is 18, period dot end of story.
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Are we sure he is not ROTC? Could be an old picture, there is no Unit Patch
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It's good that he wanted to wear is uniform, because his proud. But he should of been in Blues or class A's.
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Consider if I've really sunk to such a low that I feel the need to destroy every ounce of pride my joes have in their service. Last time I checked, most soldiers joined because they wanted to serve their country, not be berated for every little thing.
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SMSgt Matthew Hoyer
That isn't being berated for every little thing, it's mentioning to him that he's assed-up and needs to fix his behavior. If it's counter to a regulation, there isn't any wiggle room for his personal pride. Be proud while following the rules.
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SFC (Join to see)
So he is assed up for wearing his uniform and getting his picture taken with a cheerleader? It's not exactly attending a political rally or marching in the street. Tell him not to do it again? Sure. But a real leader wouldn't have to raise their voice to fix it.
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I agree SSG Jake Thomas, I've seen many other comments of leaders here that would slam this soldier, degrade and embarrass him. A good leader would (find out the entire story first) take into consideration his rank, the soldier being a new soldier in the military out of AIT and pretty sure of him not knowing the regulation. I would have his supervisor do the same thing and tell him not to do it again. With the sequester and shortage of troop manpower among the military ranks, NCO's need every last one of their soldiers as part of the team to get the missions completed. This is a very critical area that if a soldiers supervisor doesn't have the skills to regulate and use proper discretion in each and every soldier incident, they may turn a potentially good soldier that made a minor mistake into a problem soldier that felt neglected and abused by their supervisor. This goes back to knowing and taking care of your soldiers. This would be a part of a good company/battalion level NCOPD briefing and discussion.
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GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax
Lol.... I think you win "comment of the day"! Isn't that the damn truth though?! Thank god im retired!
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