Posted on Aug 19, 2015
Immigration. Should illegals be offered a path to citizenship?
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There is a path for citizenship.
Why should those who have ignored the path and entered the country illegally (or have stayed past their legal status) be granted citizenship ahead of those who are trying to enter the country legally?
If you have kids do you reward the one misbehaving and punish the one who is not?
Why should those who have ignored the path and entered the country illegally (or have stayed past their legal status) be granted citizenship ahead of those who are trying to enter the country legally?
If you have kids do you reward the one misbehaving and punish the one who is not?
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I have a strong opinion on this, but I am wanting to hear what others think on the subject. I married a woman from the Philippines. We crossed every T, dotted every I, paid every fee, filed every form and waited....and waited and waited. It took a year, but I finally got her and my son here, legally. We just went through the process again (x2) to get her parents here. Legitimately met all criteria and forms, fees, etc. etc....
I feel all immigrants should have to meet all the criteria as well BEFORE they are allowed to come here as permanent residents. This issue gets clouded in the case where a family may have three children (born here in the US) and have been here for years, but are still illegal. I feel a program should be in place to handle this situation, but only in the cases where the parents have been productive members of society and have not broken any laws.
I could go on...but I would like to see what others think. Thanks in advance, for responding.
I feel all immigrants should have to meet all the criteria as well BEFORE they are allowed to come here as permanent residents. This issue gets clouded in the case where a family may have three children (born here in the US) and have been here for years, but are still illegal. I feel a program should be in place to handle this situation, but only in the cases where the parents have been productive members of society and have not broken any laws.
I could go on...but I would like to see what others think. Thanks in advance, for responding.
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SSG Red Hoffman - Only if they become legal and fulfill whatever requirements that would entail (fine, back taxes, etc.). The only thing they should get, if they are illegal, is jail or deportation.
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I would like to see this country take care of our own before we take care of everyone else. To be truthful. The only accelerated path I see is serving this country, because lord knows we need to build our military up again.
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The same chance as everyone else. First step out of the country and then get in line like everyone else. Submit the proper requests, perform the required actions and become a citizen.
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Turns out if you are already in the US you get 2 options when you file. Step out and wait for response or stay where you are do not travel or cross the border and wait. I am pretty sure the originator of this post did that with his spouse.
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MSgt Matthew Meindl
The main issue to this question is "illegal". This should remove the validity of staying where you are other than waiting for deportation to the country of origin.
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No they shouldn't. Their very presence is a security risk, and shows awillingness to disregard the law.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
The other major problem is the money paid to people that facilitate the movement into our country is linked to the cartels, which have been classed as Terrorist Organizations. That means anyoneone who paid money to coyotes or smugglers to get here more likely than not has directly contributed to terrorism. Not the kind of people we are looking for here.
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It's interesting that when you talk to hispanics who have become naturalized citizens through the legal process, they have a lot of resentment for those who are "border crossers". or are granted amnesty. They feel like they have worked for the right to be here but yet the US gives every benefit to those who have not earned it.
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I think there is no one blanket rule to cover everyone. Using my own personal experience as an example.
My wife (who is now a legal permanent resident after years of fighting the system and lots of legal fees) was brought here illegally at a very young age. She grew up here, went to school here, speaks English...this country is all she knows.
By some people's reckoning, when she turned 18, she should have had to return to Mexico and "get in line" to do it the right way. My question is, why should she be forced to return to a country that she knows nothing of and has no real tangible ties to when she did not make the decision to come here in the first place. How is it fair or just to send someone who spent thier entire childhood in the US back to a country that they know nothing about. Pathways to citizenship should absolutely be provided to children of illegals that wish to become US citizens when they turn 18. This comes with the stipulation that they should immediately seek this out upon turning 18 and not continue to try and live here as an illegal gaining benefits while not contributing. I met my wife at age 18 and we immediately began working with an immigration lawyer to try and rectify her situation.
Now...should her mom, who actually made the decision to come here illegally, be given any kind of special treatment? Absolutely not, and neither should any other person who willfully crosses the border illegally, but I don't think that children should be punished for the sins of thier parents.
My wife (who is now a legal permanent resident after years of fighting the system and lots of legal fees) was brought here illegally at a very young age. She grew up here, went to school here, speaks English...this country is all she knows.
By some people's reckoning, when she turned 18, she should have had to return to Mexico and "get in line" to do it the right way. My question is, why should she be forced to return to a country that she knows nothing of and has no real tangible ties to when she did not make the decision to come here in the first place. How is it fair or just to send someone who spent thier entire childhood in the US back to a country that they know nothing about. Pathways to citizenship should absolutely be provided to children of illegals that wish to become US citizens when they turn 18. This comes with the stipulation that they should immediately seek this out upon turning 18 and not continue to try and live here as an illegal gaining benefits while not contributing. I met my wife at age 18 and we immediately began working with an immigration lawyer to try and rectify her situation.
Now...should her mom, who actually made the decision to come here illegally, be given any kind of special treatment? Absolutely not, and neither should any other person who willfully crosses the border illegally, but I don't think that children should be punished for the sins of thier parents.
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SSG Red Hoffman
You get the point I am trying to make, MSgt Niclas Svensson. Immigration is a very tough and complicated issue. All situations will be different and is the reason why there should be very detailed instructions as to how to go about 'deporting' people who have been here for years. Children born in this country should have the right to remain here, regardless of where their parents came from (in the cases where they have been here for years)....and in cases like yours, if a child is brought into this country at an early age and their family was not found, fined, deported, whatever for YEARS...then why would that child be subject to the rules that apply to illegals as an adult? A path to citizenship should be afforded to people in those situations. Yes, they may be illegal, but they are here by no fault of their own.
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PO1 Scott Cottrell
I understand your view, children brought to the US at a young age and grew up in the US, should have a pathway to citizenship. It was not their fault and this is the only country they have known. But, there needs to be a time limit, say a grandfathering of people who have been in the US for over 5 years, less than 5 years they don't know more about this country than the one they came from. And deport the parents as soon as the children turn 18, the children can try to immigrate their Parents legally at that time, if they wish to.
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Let us think about this a minute. If someone was to illegally enter your home when you were gone, eat your food and watch pay per view on your TV (a lot of pay per view shows and movies) running you bill way up, wear your cloths and take a butch of them with them when they moved on to someone else's home, sell your electronics (TV, Stereo, Blue Ray player, take your wife or husband's jewelry and yours, kill your dog, cat and fish and then burn your home down. Would you consider that a crime? Well then isn't illegally entering our country, receiving welfare, free medical, food stamps and other charity of which much is paid for by the taxes that you pay to the state and federal government, etc... for your entire adult life. And then you see American citizens that for cause of their own have lost their job and because of the Presidents bad economy cannot get a new job and their unemployment (which is just a small pittance, much less than they earned when working or the illegals get from welfare) runs out and they and their family cannot get any help or a job, but the illegal gets help, even free college or discounted college in many states. Now is this a crime. YES IT IS! Because it all started with them illegally entering the country which makes all the government aid they get there after actually fraud. This is like you drive a guy to the store knowing he plans to steal some crab, but he gets caught and kills the store manager. Not only does he get charged with attempted theft or theft if he gets away and murder, but so do you get charged as an accessory to each of his crimes even if you had no intent for any of it past the stealing the crab to happen.
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