Posted on Jul 8, 2016
SSgt Jerry DeLaney
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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SSgt Jerry DeLaney we are quickly coming to a point where the masses are not going to tolerate continuing to be shat upon by the upper class. The poor bastards caught in the middle will be the street cops. Why? Because street cops are just as much peons as the rest of us, but they are trying to enforce the laws. Laws that are written and passed by an elite class that is above the laws that they pass. Are we going to end up like Kent State, I think the tragic events in Dallas show that we are headed there quickly. Until PEOPLE start caring about PEOPLE, this is not going to change. People will continue to seethe with anger, until they lash out. Problem is people are not lashing out at those who deserve to receive that angst. People are lashing out at anyone they perceive as representing the object of their angst police officers, white people, black people, homosexuals, etc... Until we can regain some of our humanity, this is not only going to continue, it is going to get much worse before the end comes.
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SCPO Investigator
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Maybe or maybe not, though I think...well, I'll save my thoughts on that subject. I will say that this nation seems to be inching closer and closer to areas/cities/regions of total anarchy.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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I would hope not. I see no real Indications. I think State National Guards are more well trained and culturally aware than they have ever been in any other time in history.
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In light of the recent shootings, are we headed for another Kent State type confrontation (with much greater carnage)?
Capt Michael Greene
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I don't see any possibility of that at all.

Kent State started out pretty much as a standard (for the day) protest. The mayor and the governor brought in the NG, which actively interfered with the protest by "pushing" groups of protestors around the campus. There was some rock throwing. Then, for no known reason, a bunch of the guardsmen leveled their M-1s and shot into the students, killing four, paralyzing one, and wounding a bunch. Strong speculation says they were responding to a shot(s) fired by an "undercover" student taking photos of protesters for the FBI who was known to be carrying a gun. Look up "Terry Norman."

I just can't see anything like that happening these days. Can you?
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SPC James Harsh
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I know i've covered some informal riot training in the Guard and could see being deployed however it is probably more of an MP role. If there's not enough non lethal mossberg some 11b's out there than chances are higher for an incident. They wont let the NG out with ammo that'd be the day.

Now I'm laughing to myself, would show up with 240's and tows, mk19's and .50 cal.. nvm
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Atmosphere is certainly there, but don't think the concept for bringing in National Guard is the same today as in the days of Kent State. NG did a good job controlling in Ferguson and think their training is more oriented that way now than in 1970.
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SSgt Jerry DeLaney
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Colonel, I agree with your assessment. The atmosphere is certainly there throughout the U.S. I also believe the training our NG receives is far better now than then. The real concern is that one or more "hate" groups (eg: Neo-nazi, Black Panther, or maybe an ISIS cell) will escalates things beyond the manageable limits of a police force in a city somewhere in America.
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TSgt Craig Crews
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I pray that nothing like Kent State will occur. I hope that cooler heads prevail.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
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Don't know but we are divided in this country along racial lines that is spewing hatred and violence. We need a Commander in Chief and not a Divider in Chief and more leaders other than Jesse Jackson, De Blasio, Al Sharpton, Trump, & Clinton to quell the unrest in the urban communities.
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1LT William Clardy
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Kent State was a one-sided application of force where a unit of tired and frustrated National Guard troops apparently hit their tolerance limit and decided to teach the college kids a lesson with a spurt of rifle fire which was mostly aimed over the protesters' heads.
If you're looking for incidents involving folks actually directing violence both ways, might I suggest the Watts riot, or the botched BATF raid on the Branch Davidian estate outside of Waco?
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PO1 Michael Fullmer
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I remember Kent State. I'm not sure this could happen again.
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SPC Kirk Gilles
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I would say no. The federal/state involvement in Ferguson was to focus on prosecuting the officer and indicting the local govt. Local agencies will be forced to go it alone. They will face fed prosecution for their actions when and if they do act.
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