Posted on Feb 8, 2020
In regards to corrective training, where in the AR does it say that E4 and below have to do the exercises with the soldier they are smoking?
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I have been told by numerous SGTs and higher that E4 and below have to perform the corrective training with the soldier they are correcting, while also hearing that's a myth, I've tried researching this in numerous AR's but cant find anything that answers my question. My PSG and PL cant find the answer either, and neither of the section chiefs or gunners have the answer either, I have only been getting "here say" that E4 and below have to do the corrective training with the corrected soldier.
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You won't find that written anywhere. That concept started in the post 9/11 Army when making someone do push-ups became considered hazing. The idea was that you can't be punishing or hazing them if you're doing the exercises with them. Before 9/11 any NCO would have just laughed if you said that and told you the person who screws up is the one who pushes.
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LTC Jason Mackay
Agree, the authority to do this Is derived from the General military authority and charge to maintain good order and discipline in AR600-20.there is no subparagraph under NCO authority and responsibility labeled "smoke sessions". You may see corrective training and discipline.
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SFC James Cameron
I reflect on my experiences and don’t feel that anything I participated in was done in malice. There were those units that went way over the top and next level on things. Those guys ruined things for everyone to the point where fraternal jackassery became a no-no.
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MSG Danny Mathers
This is what we corporal punishment back in my day was mainly used in BCT, AIT, Jump and Ranger Course. I never saw it used in regular army units. I imagine it is still a policy in Parachute School and the Ranger Course; Maybe Air Assault.
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I generally do it because I want soldiers to know I am getting their attention, not just pissed at them. Besides, I get stronger, and it sort of establishes a pecking order beyond rank. I like to plank most of all.
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Bluntly? There is no such thing written in any regulation, anywhere.
Outside of Basic and schoolhouses there is no "smoking" as that can be viewed and has been viewed as hazing so instead the SM doing the "smoking" will drop a SM or SM's into position and drop down with them for the first few, then recover and count cadence and then likely drop down for the last few just before recovery.
Always, always when you have anyone tell you that "this is the way it is" and that a SM HAS to... ask to see the Regulation. Most of the time you will find that there is no such thing and never was. On rare occasions you will find there are regulations.
Outside of Basic and schoolhouses there is no "smoking" as that can be viewed and has been viewed as hazing so instead the SM doing the "smoking" will drop a SM or SM's into position and drop down with them for the first few, then recover and count cadence and then likely drop down for the last few just before recovery.
Always, always when you have anyone tell you that "this is the way it is" and that a SM HAS to... ask to see the Regulation. Most of the time you will find that there is no such thing and never was. On rare occasions you will find there are regulations.
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