Posted on Jul 27, 2015
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There was a time when having at least one Article 15 or Letter of reprimand was considered a right of passage. With today's Military draw down status and the crack down on toxic leadership and increased overall standards, can you survive a lapse of judgement?
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LTC Thelma Carnes Rowe
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From experience, a LOR can and will end your career. I was sexually harassed by a commanding general officer (BG). I informed the next MG in the command who was a female. I was afraid of retaliation and wasn’t sure what to do, therefore I requested the assistance of from the next general in my chain of command who happen to be a female. She didn’t do anything but refer me to her EO counselor who did nothing. During the same time I received a referred OER. I am a MAJ and been in over 20 years, and have never received anything derogatory in my record ever. I requested a commanders inquiry, which was forward to the next level, the female MG whom I complaint to about the BG sexual harassment. When in 3 months the commander inquiry turned into an AR 15-6 which stated I falsified my OER. I requested meeting with my rater and senior rater to discuss the OER and the fact that I had a profile and the box on my OER was not checked. I checked the box and forward to my rater, requesting a meeting. I never signed my OER, just reviewed, check profile block, and requested meeting. Once I was denied a meeting, I forward to BG, requesting commanders inquiry and who was my commanding general and the one who sexually harassed me. From the AR 15-6, the OER remained valid and filed, I was accused of falsifying my OER, then two months later given a General Officers Memo Of Reprimand (GOMOR). Then two months later I was given a notice of Involuntary Separation. I appealed the OER, which I was given full relief and is being corrected in my file. I am in the middle of appealing my GOMOR. In the mean-time I have been passed over for promotions and pending separation, as my military career is ending due to retaliation for complaining of sexual harassment against my commanding general officer. Both BG and MG has mover to higher positions elsewhere, while I am still pending separation. A soldier can’t sue the military and therefore is stuck with whatever given, be it right or wrong. Funny, the Army teaches you to speak up and say something, however, once you do, your career is over. Where is the justice!
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PO3 M Calderon
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Thank you! And I did receive it
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LTC Thelma Carnes Rowe
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With research and hard work, I was successful in having the GOMOR removed as well as a referred OER and all negative action placed against me. I was also promoted to LTC just as I retired. If the GOMOR, etc was given unjustly, you can successfully have it removed and continue with a successfully military career. However, if it was given justly, then you probably will not be able to survive. It's was a 3 year long road, but I did it!
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LTC Thelma Carnes Rowe -
Ma'am,
I am currently working on having a GOMOR and referred OER removed. I was just denied promotion and am told HRC will move to inititate elimination proceedings soon. My plan is to work on removing the GOMOR while fighting the show cause board with a civilian lawyer. Would I go through DASEB or ABCMR to have the GOMOR and OER removed? Is it too late? Reading your story gives me hope. I know what it feels like to be accused and reprimanded innocently. it's been a year and a half of misery so far...
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LTC Thelma Carnes Rowe
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Just seeing this. I hope you prevailed. I was very successful and having all the negative impact to my military records removed and now retired on disability after 27 years. Still made LTC, however my retirement pay is only at the rank of MAJ. God is good and I know it was only by his grace.
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SFC Joseph Bosley
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I would have to say that it all depends on what level it is. Anything that stays with local command like a LOR or summarized AR-15 might be recoverable, anything that can go with you to a new command definitely not. Even when i was in it was becoming a zero defect zero tolerance atmosphere. Too bad really some of the best lessons are learned from making a mistake.
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I agree with you comments, thanks for sharing.
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SSG Warren Swan
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SFC even with a local 15, with the fact that they're using almost anything to weed out troops, would you agree that even with it a local action, this troop stands a good chance of being told he/she cannot reup and be forced out?
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LTC Thelma Carnes Rowe
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The biggest issue is the amount of power and authority given to General Officers as it allows for the opportunity for abuse of power and authority, while they are not held accountable for their wrongs.
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I got a local gomar due to a EO complaint. But BC decided to do a reprimand OER on a change of rater and wants me to sign a memo and write a rebuttal if needed. What should I do?
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Chesty Puller, one of the Marine Corps most decorated, colorful, and respected leader, once said that if you want the best fighting Marines, go to the Brig. In this day and age of zero tolerance and pristine Soldiers, can we have real warriors? Until the feces hits the fan and real warriors are needed in abundance, I don't think so, save the SPECOPs. And when that happens, because it surely will, will there be any Chesty Puller's to lead the way or just clean cut M.B.A.s?
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Thanks for great input Chief.
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