Posted on Jul 27, 2015
In today's Military, can you survive an Article 15 or Letter of Reprimand and still have a successful career?
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It's better PT a soldier worth saving than making a paper trail. In the Woodland Camo days, the Article 15 didn't matter much, but you only did it if you wanted to get someone out. Now it seems to cozy to PT someone until they've learned their lesson.
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MAJ Thomas Person
Ah yes SPC Q. Good call. Any trooper who "volunteered for extra training" such as a 65lb 12 miler under 3 was the fix for many of my 1ST SGT's and other NONCOMS when dealing with a troop who got into a scrape. NCO business I believe they called it. :-)
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SSG Jonathan Edwards
Ah yes.... Dying Cockroaches, Squat Thrusts, Crucifix balances, Toad walks, That long walk with 65lbs... Far better than the nuclear option of a Company or Field Grade AR-15
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SSG Jonathan Edwards
MAJ Thomas Person - Rgr Sir. You are correct. I used to love hearing the Officers wonder what that Private did to deserve such a miserable fate.... Cleaning Camo Nets used to be a favorite of one of my 1SG... Strange.. And if the NCO's soldier was a repeat offender, that NCO supervised (read: cleaned) with said Private....
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I received an LOR at my shop after about 4 months at this base, ever since that, they have come at me with one thing after another and now I am receiving an Article 15 from the Squadron CC. So in these days, I would say no. The moment you pop on that radar, you stay.
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in todays POLITICAL military each can hurt ones career.
i myself served from 82-97, and had 3 article 15s ,but i had excelled in my career and was fortounate to have had excellent accomplishments that saved my career.
airtaz
i myself served from 82-97, and had 3 article 15s ,but i had excelled in my career and was fortounate to have had excellent accomplishments that saved my career.
airtaz
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Back in my day, an Article 15 (Captain's Mast) was a rite of passage to make Chief. How can one learn if you are perfect all the time? One needs a setback in order to grow. Today's military takes away that - they want to be like a corporate firm. Step out of line, and you will be flipping burgers after your time in the military is over (or they kick you out). Nope, I would not make it in today's Corporate Military. My sense of honor, values, and political incorrectness (a liberal's favorite) forbids.
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Depending on the circumstances, you may make it to the end of your current contract (as an enlisted person), if it is a recent indicent. For example, the Army's Qualitative Management Program (QMP) will make it very difficult to still have a "successful career" with either of those in your records, unless maybe it was something that happened very early in a soldier's career.
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It is very possible to survive what are now regarded more as heavy weig punishments, LORs aren't too scarce, and they usually don't lead to much other than the fact you have recieved an LOR. Article 15s are a good bit more threatening, as they can come with demotions and pay deductions, and more. But from what I know from my not-all-that-extensive time in service, it seems that as long as you weren't a dirtbag prior to screwing up, you shouldn't have to pack your bags.
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My first roommate at DLI in 1986 had just been promoted to SGT for the third time. Never happen today.
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I can't speak for officers, but if the Marine Corps decided to kill the careers of everyone with an NJP, they wouldn't have any non rates. Seems like all the Corps does is ninja punch you every chance they get until you make corporal.
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