Posted on Jun 15, 2015
In your opinion, what is the most common violation of uniform regulations, and are you guilty of it from time to time?
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Hands continually in pockets! On the spot corrections, sometimes don't work. My first Reserve unit, there was a CPT (the commander) who would get in front of the formation, hands in pocket, pacing, talking to the formation without a care in the world. This is the most common 670-1 infraction that I see. Most frequent offenders are any rank or grade, non-discriminatory violation.
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I agree. This is the most common violation in my opinion too and us Warrant Officers catch a bad rap for putting our hands in our pockets. I have done alot better over the years and continue to improve in this aspect but you are right, this trend can be witnessed across all ranks.
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SSG Jason Clark
? I thought Wareant Officers just caught a bad rep for not coming to work or not wearing their uniform to work. Ours were appalled when our CSM made hem start showing up for PT formation. Haha
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SGT Amy Tribou
Our guys used to put their hands on the front on their pants and have their thumbs hang out, this way they were chilling, but not in pockets.
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Buttoning my pockets. It's easier to just keep it unbuttoned so I can easily pull my wallet out.
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I put mine in my front pocket. It Is much easier to access when needed and helps to align your spine when sitting for prolonged periods. But hands in pockets? That's my biggest offender lol.
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Uniforms that do not fit properly.
Lack of correction
Chapter 3
Appearance and Grooming Policies
3–1. Personal appearance policies
a. Soldiers will present a professional image at all times and will continue to set the example in military presence,both on and off duty. Pride in appearance includes Soldiers’ physical fitness and adherence to acceptable weight standards in accordance with AR 600–9.
b. A vital ingredient of the Army’s strength and military effectiveness is the pride and self discipline that American Soldiers bring to their Service through a conservative military image. It is the responsibility of commanders to ensure
that military personnel under their command present a neat and soldierly appearance. Therefore, in the absence of specific procedures or guidelines, commanders must determine a Soldier’s compliance with standards in this regulation.
c. The Army uniform regulations for standards of personal appearance and grooming are as specific as is practicable in order to establish the parameters with which Soldiers must comply.
d. Portions of this chapter are punitive. Violation of the specific prohibitions and requirements set forth in this chapter may result in adverse administrative action and/or charges under the provision of the UCMJ
Lack of correction
Chapter 3
Appearance and Grooming Policies
3–1. Personal appearance policies
a. Soldiers will present a professional image at all times and will continue to set the example in military presence,both on and off duty. Pride in appearance includes Soldiers’ physical fitness and adherence to acceptable weight standards in accordance with AR 600–9.
b. A vital ingredient of the Army’s strength and military effectiveness is the pride and self discipline that American Soldiers bring to their Service through a conservative military image. It is the responsibility of commanders to ensure
that military personnel under their command present a neat and soldierly appearance. Therefore, in the absence of specific procedures or guidelines, commanders must determine a Soldier’s compliance with standards in this regulation.
c. The Army uniform regulations for standards of personal appearance and grooming are as specific as is practicable in order to establish the parameters with which Soldiers must comply.
d. Portions of this chapter are punitive. Violation of the specific prohibitions and requirements set forth in this chapter may result in adverse administrative action and/or charges under the provision of the UCMJ
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I agree 100%. Uniforms that dont fit properly are easy to spot unless if you are blind. What I cant stand is when Leaders at all levels who walk on by and dont make any corrections. Take the time, be tactful and make the necessary correction. If you walk by the violation, then you just set another standard.
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SFC Stephen King
CW4 (Join to see) True that is my worst case scenario and I see NCO's that don't enforce standards so I convey my concern
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Before we had maternity uniforms, one enterprising female graduated from Basic Training and near the top of MP AIT when she gave birth to baby in the barracks (Ft McClellan). Later investigation and photos revealed she hid pregnancy with over sized uniforms....swapped urine, etc....which said a lot about paying attention to uniforms and her own toughness.
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Oh wow, that is a new one. Great share. I will have to remeber that one and yes, you are right, her leaders were extremely blind or they just didnt care.
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Although your stereotype is funny has some validity, I was a Maintenance Detachment CDR and my 1SG and I ensured that our unit didn't walk around like a rag bag regardless on the MOS. We reinforced coverall usage and cracked down on every violation we caught. So not all maintenance units are jacked up.
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SPC Paul Davis
Back when I served(88-96), I was in a maintenance unit.1/63ar. Ft. Irwin Ca. .boots was the biggest problem. We polished boots back then. Not like today's Army. Being in the desert was hard to keep them shiny. So most of us got away with so,so boots. In the nco barracks we didn't make our beds& definitely didn't use those green wool blankets. So we eased up on the lower enlisted on their beds.unless it was a offical inspection by the brass.
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The one I see the most is not wearing the cap when outdoors. Especially for National Guard members!
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MSgt (Join to see)
It's ridiculous the lack of respect they show the officers and the military! That is a big reason I got out. I was so proud to be a part of the military when I first joined but it quickly turned into complete embarrassment because of idiots like that!
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PO3 Karen Dixon
Hell, there's a 2-star that rides the train with me. She never puts her cover on when she's outdoors. I guess she's exempt?
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SGT Amy Tribou
Girl, go to Wilmington NC National Guard, OMG, talk about NO ONE following it. I saw them on drill one time. The whole group were in GOL COR. around Thanksgiving doing a military thing and eating they were in ACUs. (This was before ponytails, corn row, etc) the females were in regular ponytails and hair not pulled back hanging down their back below the bra strap. The guys had earrings in, hair over the top of the ear. Pants not blouses, 1SG and the CO was there. That is just a small bit. I was in then, but my mom and daughters begged me not to start something and say anything to them. Man, I was pissed
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All but 1 motorpool ive ever worked in were all no cover/no salute areas. CW4 (Join to see)
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I want to say haircuts are the most overlooked. This includes the grooming practices of some males trying to make a fad instead of following the reg.
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Chief, all sides are guilty. Male and female. I just got back from a conference where there was a female LT with long hair not in a bun or something standing next to a BDE CSM. Turn around saw a E5 and MAJ males that had bed head. As we all operate on first impressions to start leadership assessment I was quite embarrassed for them. I kindly reminded all of the violators that this was unacceptable. Two fixed it. The LT looked at me and her CSM responding I don't have to listen to you. Had to walk away.
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Wow, I cant believe that the LT blew you off like that. Insubordination at is finest but thats a whole other topic.
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Hmmm... seems like the same issues we face in the Navy. Hands in pockets, coats not zipped up properly, buttons not buttoned when required. It amazes me how the majority these uniform violations fall back on laziness.
We default to the lowest state of energy when not fully motivated.
Guilty as charged on many occasions.
We default to the lowest state of energy when not fully motivated.
Guilty as charged on many occasions.
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I agree with your comments 100%. Just last night I ironed a new uniform for today and then this morning I put it on and make sure everything is in place but do I snap the buttons closed on my back pocket after putting my wallet inside.....no. It's just easier to have it unbuttoned. It doesn't make it right but I do it.
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My facial hair is a lot darker than my head hair, so I've got dark follicles. Dark enough to the point where people thought I didn't shave. I often had to ask people to feel my face to see that I did indeed shave. I almost got into a fight with an Officer because he didn't believe me and called me out in public.
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Thats unforunate that the Officer didnt take you at your word. I almost have to shave twice a duty day if i wanted to remain perfectly clean shaven all day.
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PO1 John Miller
That particular Officer wasn't the greatest of leaders. A "do as I say, not as I do" kind of person.
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I agree 100% with SGM Dan Coberly.
I don't think it's a regulation that needs to be read cover to cover. But, I do believe all Soldiers should read the chapters/sections that apply to them directly.
I don't think it's a regulation that needs to be read cover to cover. But, I do believe all Soldiers should read the chapters/sections that apply to them directly.
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I agree with that as well. No one has ever read AR 670-1 from beginning to end. You reference the most common sections when need be and then you remember and teach the standard.
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CW3 Hayes, likely not, but I sure as heck read every change after I read the portions that mattered most--army photos/editors had to know the rules to screen photos for release. That included things in other regs = no drinks in hand of any kind, no safety violations,--nothing for enemy propaganda value.
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I’m not much of a stickler, I wear a duty belt and vest all day, (MP jokes welcome, but please don’t be rude) I keep my gloves in my back pocket because they are constantly on and off as a Collision Investigator, so the flap is tucked and unbuttoned. I’ve never been corrected, possibly because it’s required equipment for my job, (motor vehicle collisions are gross) but possibly because they are of proper color to be worn with the uniform, and quite possibly because, well, let’s be honest, the world won’t end if a Soldier does something to make a difficult job easier. The biggest one I see is ID tags belt looped and put in a pocket. I wear a set on the neck, and lace a tag into each of my boots, just in case humpdiduMPty needs to be put back together again.
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The tags looped and in pocket is accepted in the aviation field bc of the fact that dealing with that kind of machinery your tags are considered FOD (Foreign Object Debris) and you're not allowed to have FOD on the aircraft
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MP- “And here’s your ticket.” Joe- “Bro, are you serious, it’s for 2 over in a 45” MP- “law’s the law” *army theme song starts to hum in the background as a bald eagle flys overhead*
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I understand if permitted by job field or requirements (Airborne), for the rest of us, I don’t get it. Regarding the SSG’s comment, I’m sorry you had a bad experience. Some MP’s are that way, others, like me, don’t bother you until you’re at a much higher speed over the limit. We write citations because the more citations we write, the more attentive drivers are. More citations equals less accidents. We’d much rather write you for speeding than have you pay $500 or more for your deductible, or worse, pick up the pieces.
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