Posted on Jul 15, 2015
Iran Deal Leaves U.S. Republicans Short of Votes to Stop Obama - Should they Try?
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Iran Deal Leaves U.S. Republicans Short of Votes to Stop Obama
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-14/skeptical-congress-will-now-have-its-say-on-iran-deal
Should the Republicans and some Democrats try to stop this deal?
If Congress votes to disapprove the agreement, the ban on lifting sanctions would continue for another 12 days to allow time for the president to issue a veto. The period then would extend for another 10 days to let Congress consider an override.
Enactment of a joint resolution of disapproval would bar Obama from granting sanctions relief for Iran under the agreement. The resolution wouldn’t invalidate the agreement itself.
If Congress approved the deal during the review period, the president could begin waiving sanctions immediately. The president also could waive sanctions if the review period expired without action by Congress.
The law would allow Congress to reinstate sanctions waived by the president if Iran failed to make certifications required by the agreement.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-14/skeptical-congress-will-now-have-its-say-on-iran-deal
Should the Republicans and some Democrats try to stop this deal?
If Congress votes to disapprove the agreement, the ban on lifting sanctions would continue for another 12 days to allow time for the president to issue a veto. The period then would extend for another 10 days to let Congress consider an override.
Enactment of a joint resolution of disapproval would bar Obama from granting sanctions relief for Iran under the agreement. The resolution wouldn’t invalidate the agreement itself.
If Congress approved the deal during the review period, the president could begin waiving sanctions immediately. The president also could waive sanctions if the review period expired without action by Congress.
The law would allow Congress to reinstate sanctions waived by the president if Iran failed to make certifications required by the agreement.
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I think that Sen. Graham really laid out a good understanding of the legislative moves that are necessary and important for the long run of Republican policy. The sort of smaller level deals are usually not reviewed or approved by Congress, however because of Corker-Cardin they are allowed to formally reject the deal. I find it really silly that Congress is so upset about having to play by the rules that they created, the Senate approved this outline for how the deal would be accepted 98-1.
My personal view on the deal is that in order for them to be compliant they will have to slow down there nuclear ambitions, and if in the end they do not then the United States can replace the sanctions with the assistance of the rest of Western society, without the deal United States was going to be standing alone in their sanctions, and would’ve really lost their teeth. Is the plan going to work? I have not the slightest clue, but the current plan is not stopping them from getting a nuclear weapon, the only credible option presented other than this deal is war.
I hope the people also understand that our sanctions are really effective at making us scapegoats, fanatical regimes have trouble maintaining control the people if they do not have a scapegoat. Further when you place sanctions on a population we severely limit the resources available to that country, however we cannot completely eliminate all resources available to a country, and in the case of Iran they’ve elected to use those resources on a nuclear program, and while the economy we have decimated hurts their population they simply blame the US. This leads their people to consolidate behind an anti-American government.
My personal view on the deal is that in order for them to be compliant they will have to slow down there nuclear ambitions, and if in the end they do not then the United States can replace the sanctions with the assistance of the rest of Western society, without the deal United States was going to be standing alone in their sanctions, and would’ve really lost their teeth. Is the plan going to work? I have not the slightest clue, but the current plan is not stopping them from getting a nuclear weapon, the only credible option presented other than this deal is war.
I hope the people also understand that our sanctions are really effective at making us scapegoats, fanatical regimes have trouble maintaining control the people if they do not have a scapegoat. Further when you place sanctions on a population we severely limit the resources available to that country, however we cannot completely eliminate all resources available to a country, and in the case of Iran they’ve elected to use those resources on a nuclear program, and while the economy we have decimated hurts their population they simply blame the US. This leads their people to consolidate behind an anti-American government.
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The deal is not a good deal for America. It is not a good deal for Isarel. It is how ever a good deal for Iran.
The deal opens up and removes any restrictions on their ICBM technology and money will inevitably be diverted to terrorist organizations. Once the sanctions are removed they can't just be reapplied even though legally they can and it will be of great cost. If we are hell bent on removing the sanctions as we did for Cuba lets just do it and forget about. Russia and China don't abide by the sanctions anyway. Once the sanctions are removed although we can legally reimpose them it will be difficult and at great cost.
The deal opens up and removes any restrictions on their ICBM technology and money will inevitably be diverted to terrorist organizations. Once the sanctions are removed they can't just be reapplied even though legally they can and it will be of great cost. If we are hell bent on removing the sanctions as we did for Cuba lets just do it and forget about. Russia and China don't abide by the sanctions anyway. Once the sanctions are removed although we can legally reimpose them it will be difficult and at great cost.
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Obama negotiated a treaty but called it an agreement. To get around Congress. And I don't know why the Republicans did not inact the nuclear option like Harry Ried did to pass Obama care. Ried and his cronies did not want it to come to a vote. Then Obama would be on the record vetoing it. They needed 60 votes to stop debate. And Chucky Schumer who cried crocodile tears about the Iran deal quickly changed his toon. Whining that Rebublicans were trying to hurt Obama.
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http://wapo.st/1Nkhlgb
The leaders of Britain, France, and Germany just sent their own open letter in support of the agreement.
The leaders of Britain, France, and Germany just sent their own open letter in support of the agreement.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - Mikel; Long-term (and that is NOT a term which the Arab/Muslim world is unfamiliar) the Iranians can "do more damage" to the United States of America (and the Republicans in particular) by simply sticking to the terms of "The Deal" than they ever could by weasel-wording their way around it.
In fact, the Iranians could do even better than that by simply responding to any request for an inspection with "Of course. An Iran Air jet has already been dispatched for Washington DC to bring your inspectors and their equipment to Iran as soon as you can get the jet loaded.". If the Iranians are planning on subverting "The Deal" then they lose nothing by waiting a couple of years before starting and the US government would end up looking like a bunch of dunces after screaming about how the Iranians would sabotage any inspections in order to conceal the fact that they were breaking the terms of "The Deal".
As long as the Iranians are sticking to "The Deal" they have rendered themselves almost immune to any military attack from anyone.
In fact, the Iranians could do even better than that by simply responding to any request for an inspection with "Of course. An Iran Air jet has already been dispatched for Washington DC to bring your inspectors and their equipment to Iran as soon as you can get the jet loaded.". If the Iranians are planning on subverting "The Deal" then they lose nothing by waiting a couple of years before starting and the US government would end up looking like a bunch of dunces after screaming about how the Iranians would sabotage any inspections in order to conceal the fact that they were breaking the terms of "The Deal".
As long as the Iranians are sticking to "The Deal" they have rendered themselves almost immune to any military attack from anyone.
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Here's the thing. The GOP knows that they can't stop this deal so what they are going to do is vote on its DISAPPROVAL rather than its approval. That way, Senate and House Republicans can say that that they voted against the Iran deal and say to their constituents that they did instead of wasting their time voting on something that's going to succeed anyway.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/02/436647276/minority-rules-capitol-hill-vote-tactics-displayed-in-iran-deal
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/02/436647276/minority-rules-capitol-hill-vote-tactics-displayed-in-iran-deal
How The Iran Vote Is Engineered To Pass
When Congress votes on the deal this month, it will be considered under rules that favor the president, even if his opponents gain a majority.
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For the naive among you: This was a done deal before it started. Chuck Shumer was allowed to very noisily announce his opposition to the deal because he has a large New York Jewish constituency. Shumer is running to become Minority Leader of the Democrats or Senate President should the Republicans lose the Senate in 2016. Nothing was going to be allowed to jeopardize that possibility. Michulsky is Jewish and is retiring this year and doesn't have to worry about the large Jewish voting bloc in Silver Springs MD. Her vote was held back as insurance.
This is just another reason to hold these self serving slime bags in contempt.
This is just another reason to hold these self serving slime bags in contempt.
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YES I am sure he has at least 34 IDIOTS to vote for it! They think and I use that term loosely that a bad deal is better than the alternative of war, but they don't understand that war is NOT the only option, how about sanctions after all that is what brought them to the bargaining table to start with, leave the sanctions in place and even increase them, THAT IS THE OPTION. Bargain from a position of strength, not weakness like our bumbling IDIOT of a Secretary of State Kerry. When they don't want to bargain get up and walk away, and increase SANCTIONS! Just like the Godfather offer them a deal, if they refuse increase the pressure (sanctions), and when they come back offer them a LESSER DEAL!
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