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Soldiers just completed a 32-hour mission on the road. They get to a tiny FOB in Iraq and have 12 minutes left to grab food before the chow hall closes. The Soldiers are not freshly shaved and cannot easily access their personal hygiene items therefore technically out of regulation. Would you enforce the standard and make the Soldiers immediately go shave or would you not enforce the standard and let the Soldiers go eat?
With so many responses on RP about how we don’t have the right to pick and choose which standards we enforce, what would you do?
With so many responses on RP about how we don’t have the right to pick and choose which standards we enforce, what would you do?
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 116
As a leader, given this situation - food first! I'd consider it part of the mission. Mission accomplishment includes welfare of the troops.
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Misleading subject: the standard is to accomplish the mission and take care of soldiers.
The standards that specify the length of their shoelaces is below the one that tells you to feed your folks.
There are priorities. It isn't a matter of picking and choosing, it's more a matter of prioritization. When you have time, when you have resources, some lower-priority items can be crossed off. Until then, beans and bullets.
And I never saw a tiny FOB mess that closed on the clock; they'd open and serve until everyone was fed or they were out of chow.
This is a tee-ball question, give me something tougher.
The standards that specify the length of their shoelaces is below the one that tells you to feed your folks.
There are priorities. It isn't a matter of picking and choosing, it's more a matter of prioritization. When you have time, when you have resources, some lower-priority items can be crossed off. Until then, beans and bullets.
And I never saw a tiny FOB mess that closed on the clock; they'd open and serve until everyone was fed or they were out of chow.
This is a tee-ball question, give me something tougher.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
Sir, I appreciate your response.
Please consider there is a whole bigger picture out there that you haven't seen. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Hence all of the responses on here saying they have experienced this.
Also, according to AR 670-1, it is a standard.
Please consider there is a whole bigger picture out there that you haven't seen. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Hence all of the responses on here saying they have experienced this.
Also, according to AR 670-1, it is a standard.
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CPT Ray Doeksen
I don't think you're getting what I'm pitching. I'm not saying its inconceivable that a chow line would shut down on the clock (there are reasons ... like other points that need to be fed) I'm saying that food comes before shaving, I would not send a soldier off with an MRE (or hungry) before keeping a line open as long as possible.
I'm trying to figure out what your point is ... if your angle is that a standard is always black and white and crystal clear, then no, it isn't but if you try - you can usually figure out the difference between what is comfortable and what's right.
I'm trying to figure out what your point is ... if your angle is that a standard is always black and white and crystal clear, then no, it isn't but if you try - you can usually figure out the difference between what is comfortable and what's right.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
I hope what I wrote below helps explain my point better sir and I absolutely agree with you.
"Thank you for your feedback. I want everyone here to understand my point behind posting such a "DUH" question."
The point is YES there is a time and place when we should pick and choose which regulations to follow. Regulations are not black and white and neither are the majority of situations we run into.
Accomplish your mission. Use your head. Look out for your Soldiers.
"Thank you for your feedback. I want everyone here to understand my point behind posting such a "DUH" question."
The point is YES there is a time and place when we should pick and choose which regulations to follow. Regulations are not black and white and neither are the majority of situations we run into.
Accomplish your mission. Use your head. Look out for your Soldiers.
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My mission and my men. 2 basic responsibilities. Let them eat and take the butt chewing later. Make them shave immediately afterwards.
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As it applies to the serving period the dining facility manager can allow the soldiers to come in after the period is over due to their mission. The platoon leader/commander usually can give insight to the soldiers and allow them time to get food whether it is by having them take their food and go recover from the mission while still giving the dfac manager what they wanted as the soldiers would not have to be in their dining facility and still getting the soldiers their food.
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I would shave from my helmet while I ate and when questions came up I would explain it. I would carry my razor and shave with butter. Thank you for your service.
Sincerely,
Destroyer
Sincerely,
Destroyer
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Hey look you have to eat to keep going I remember getting off 24 hour CQ and going straight to the chow hall eating then going back to the barracks and going to bed. Would not have been able to fall a sleep if I did not eat
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The majority of the replies here seem focused on the choice between eating or not eating, and of course, the choice in that scenario is clear. Let them eat. What is not so clear are the circumstances, and the potential unintended consequences of hastily made decisions. I'll play devil's advocate for a moment, and give a different point of view that doesn't see just two choices. The rationale for not allowing dirty Soldiers into a DFAC is based upon the idea that a DFAC must be a clean environment and enforcing hygiene is a force protection measure put into place to preserve combat power. So the first question I would ask when confronted with conflicting priorities is this: is there another way that satisfies both requirements? One possibility is the good old MRE. It certainly isn't everyone's first choice, but it keeps Soldiers fed and prevents the potential spread of microbes in the DFAC. Another possibility is to have hot chow brought out to the Soldiers on to-go plates. This would give Soldiers hot chow and still keep the DFAC clean. I think the broader issue is one of leadership. If I'm on a long patrol and chow is a priority for my Soldiers, then I'm going to reach out to the leadership at my destination to make that happen without storming the DFAC as though I own the place. Lots of talk in the comments here about common sense, but not as many mentioning planning, leadership, or creative thinking. With a little bit of each, you can arrive at an acceptable solution without jeopardizing the health of an entire FOB.
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