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Thinking about all of our SAPR/SHARP briefing we all have attended they usually focus on getting the woman's consent, if she is drinking she can't consent, etc, etc. as illustrated by this poster.
What are your thoughts on the commentary?
What are your thoughts on the commentary?
SHARP
Law
Equality
Sexual Assault
Posted >1 y ago
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To me this poster demonstrates concisely the inconsistencies between how SHARP issues are handled and the concept of gender equality so often preached about these days.
In this case I believe one of two things should happen: 1. Both individuals are charged. 2. Since neither was capable of legal consent, charges are dismissed and the event is chalked up as a series of bad decisions by both parties.
My preference would be the 2nd option. Placing the onus entirely on males to obtain and maintain consent is not equality, and removes all personal responsibility from the involved females. I would be interested to hear a female perspective on this. While I agree we need to actively work to address SHARP within our ranks, I find initiatives like this counterproductive.
In this case I believe one of two things should happen: 1. Both individuals are charged. 2. Since neither was capable of legal consent, charges are dismissed and the event is chalked up as a series of bad decisions by both parties.
My preference would be the 2nd option. Placing the onus entirely on males to obtain and maintain consent is not equality, and removes all personal responsibility from the involved females. I would be interested to hear a female perspective on this. While I agree we need to actively work to address SHARP within our ranks, I find initiatives like this counterproductive.
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i think the whole "getting only a woman's consent" sort of hints at women being inferior, as if they are all damsels in distress - a woman, drunk, cant be held responsible for her decisions. Not an absolute, but hints at it.
The truth is, bad things can happen when you are drunk...and when its just you and one other person, and both of you are drunk...God help you if you have conflicting stories!
The truth is, bad things can happen when you are drunk...and when its just you and one other person, and both of you are drunk...God help you if you have conflicting stories!
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Capt Seid Waddell
MAJ Jim Steven, good point, sir. If they are both drunk and get into an automobile wreck, it is not just the woman that can be hurt or killed. Personal responsibility is not a gender-based issue.
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Ah feminism. The ultimate double standard. You can't have it both ways.
What say you, Hillary Clinton? She's had some eyebrow raising comments on this subject in the past...
What say you, Hillary Clinton? She's had some eyebrow raising comments on this subject in the past...
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Thats because all men are pigs in the eyes of of the law. Especially in this case. We are guilty until proven guilty no matter what. Double standards like this pisses me off.
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How do you know it wasn't her who was trying to get him drunk to take advantage?
Today's society it's always the male whom is guilty of being the aggressor in this type of situation.
Today's society it's always the male whom is guilty of being the aggressor in this type of situation.
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No one should initiate violence or deceit against anyone else. No one should be involved in an involuntary sexual act. The fact is the vast majority of unwanted sexual encounters are initiated by men.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
In the military, the fact is that the vast majority is initiated by men, on other men. At least according to the last DoD figures presented in the last SAPR brief.
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SSG Robert Webster
TSgt Joshua Copeland - Those figures could only be from the reported cases and from your statement, only since "Don't ask, don't tell" was dropped. Or am I misinterpreting the "initiated by men, on other men" statement? Could you post the numbers from the SAPR brief here?
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
SSG Robert Webster, no absolutely not, those figures are NOT just from after the repeal of DADT, it was just under reported prior to the repeal of DADT because the victim theoretically could be discharged because of it. Couple that with the fact that men are less likely to actual report sexual assault to begin with for fear of being ridiculed by their peers, superiors and subordinates. The estimate is 14,000 in 2012 based on reports and extrapolation for male on male sexual assault. What you have is a numbers game. The Military is mostly a male organization so by the numbers, there is going to be more male on male sexual assault. By population percentage, male on female sexual assault is higher. Translate that out based on extensive survey in 2014 of 170,000 troops revealed that 20,000 service members said they had experienced at least one incident of unwanted sexual contact in the past year, representing nearly 5 percent of all active-duty women and 1 percent of active-duty men. Nearly half the assaults reported by women and 35 percent reported by men were "penetrative sexual assaults" — crimes that include rape and penetration with an object.
To give some background on reporting. a 2010 survey conducted by the Department of Defense found that 54 percent of women and 27 percent of men did not report because they feared retaliation; 47 percent of women and 20 percent of men did not report because they had heard other victims had a negative experience after reporting.
To give some background on reporting. a 2010 survey conducted by the Department of Defense found that 54 percent of women and 27 percent of men did not report because they feared retaliation; 47 percent of women and 20 percent of men did not report because they had heard other victims had a negative experience after reporting.
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