Posted on Aug 2, 2016
Is giving an APFT 3 days before PCS leave really necessary?
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Alright let's get this out of the way first, I have never had an issue passing an apft. I currently have a valid apft that I took 2 months ago. A 232 which wasn't my best but it is what it is. Long story short our CO has a memo out stating every soldier must score a 250 or higher or take the apft every month(which not all the soldiers do) but it's the rules. Anyways I take pcs leave in 3 days and was notified a few hours ago that I had an apft in the morning. I already had made an appointment to get my vaccinations for overseas duty that morning. I notified my PSG and got a no excuses answer. So just asking is this really necessary? Let's not bash anyone here. I'm being respectful I just want some others input and maybe there is something I can do.
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While Id rather see a command team focus on a positive approach to increased physical fitness as well as an understanding the APFT is not physical training nor is an arbitrary 250 a magical number that all those who achieve it are somehow leadership superior.
That said, there is no regulatory restriction keeping your commander from wasting his company's time with monthly APFT's
If he would speak to and trust his MFT, or if he does not have one, a nother units, or barring that, ask him to contact me, I'd happily explain why the APFT is not a muscular fitness or endurance building event, not a aerobic improving event, nor is its use as a negitive reinforcement a great way to company fitness.
As you PCS soon, Id say, suck it up, go take the APFT, smile and move on.
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That said, there is no regulatory restriction keeping your commander from wasting his company's time with monthly APFT's
If he would speak to and trust his MFT, or if he does not have one, a nother units, or barring that, ask him to contact me, I'd happily explain why the APFT is not a muscular fitness or endurance building event, not a aerobic improving event, nor is its use as a negitive reinforcement a great way to company fitness.
As you PCS soon, Id say, suck it up, go take the APFT, smile and move on.
Chapter 2
Policy and Management of Flags
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN10794_r600_8_2_Admin_Final.pdf
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Lead by example, show up, don't gripe and kick the crap outta that APFT! You can do this. It is not an illegal order so execute it!
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There is something that you can do find out the location of the APFT and report and execute the PT test. Is everyone treated the same way? Remember you are a Soldier....come on now and make it happen
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Your choices are:
1. Skip the APFT and hope nobody notices.
2. Show up, do the minimum in each event and hope you are never reunited with anyone in your NCO support channel or chain of command.
3. Show up, suck it up, do the absolute best you can regardless of how silly I, you, and everyone else thinks this is.
One of these will keep you out of trouble, in good favor, and not burn a bridge you may have to try and cross later on.
1. Skip the APFT and hope nobody notices.
2. Show up, do the minimum in each event and hope you are never reunited with anyone in your NCO support channel or chain of command.
3. Show up, suck it up, do the absolute best you can regardless of how silly I, you, and everyone else thinks this is.
One of these will keep you out of trouble, in good favor, and not burn a bridge you may have to try and cross later on.
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So my question is this? Because you do have a valid PT, although below your commander's standards, and you do show up and take your PT test, what are the repercussions of you not getting vaccinated in order to comply with your DA appointed orders to PCS overseas?
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Hallmark example of Army leadership making the right decision instead of the reasonable one. Embrace the suck and move on, and think of this as another good reason to put that CoC in your rearview
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Well unfortunately for you, I don't think there's much you can do. It sounds like someone upstairs is trying to get promoted. The best recommendation is to suck it up and get it out of the way. You're PCSing, so it's the last time you'll have to deal with that unless someone in your new command is trying to get promoted.
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Don't miss your appointment, but also take the APFT. If taking the APFT would cause you to miss your appointment, make sure your platoon sergeant knows that. If he tells you to take the APFT anyway, do it and show up to try to get your vaccinations anyway. I would love my commander to have a rule about having Soldiers with a 250 or less APFT take it every month, but it wouldn't be possible with a company of over 300 Soldiers.
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Depending on your MOS showing up to the new unit as an NCO with a 232 isn't going to start you off the right way.
I emphasize with the mentality of focusing on the upcoming PCS and not being overly concerned with w/e crap your current unit is doing. SGM Marquez gave the best answer you're probably gonna get.
I emphasize with the mentality of focusing on the upcoming PCS and not being overly concerned with w/e crap your current unit is doing. SGM Marquez gave the best answer you're probably gonna get.
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