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LTC Yinon Weiss
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No it is not a crime. There was an attempt to make Stolen Valor a crime under the Stolen Valor Act signed in late 2006. The law was pretty quickly overturned by the Supreme Court in 2012 under United States v. Alvarez. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Alvarez

I interpret the court's position as a desire not to persecute people because of what symbols they wear on their clothes, or to begin convicting people for lying, since lying is not a crime (and probably not the road we want to go down as a free society). As disgusting as Stolen Valor acts are, we still live in a free country. It's important to note that if somebody commits fraud with Stolen Valor then that is still a crime, since fraud is still a crime.

One argument some people have made is that one cannot impersonate a police officer, so the same should apply to military. This is only partly accurate, since police officers actually have authority over others while veterans do not. So a police officer can go to a person and detain them, tell them to go somewhere, to come somewhere, or to put them in handcuffs and in the back of their car and drive them off. Therefore if somebody impersonated a police officer it could lead to wrongful detention, not to mention making it harder for cops to do their jobs. This is not the same as somebody going around telling false war stories.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
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Major Weiss's comments on this subject are informed and intelligent. Nevertheless, those who relish stealing the valor of the U.S. Armed Forces are ignorant and delusional. Most of those I've seen display their ignorance simply in what they wear on their plagiarized uniform. Wearing a major's oak leaf insignia and an NCO's chevrons on the sleeves does not make him a Sergeant Major--although I saw such a farce some time ago. It is really laughable, yet disconcerting to see someone exhibit such delusions of grandeur and heroism. It gets so tempting to march up and slap the silly grin off the miscreant's face.
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Cpl Charles Trump
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Lead to kidnapping charges!
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Cpl Charles Trump
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MSgt (Join to see) In Nc the mere possession of a badge or uniform is enough to be charged it shows intent!
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Sgt Dale Briggs
Sgt Dale Briggs
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He’s not subject to UCMJ.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Please bear in mind, it IS still a violation of the UCMJ...
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Sgt Patrick Carron
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I agree. But those who have never served can wear the medals as if they earned them and are not subject to the UCMJ.
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SFC Thomas Howes
SFC Thomas Howes
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Ya but I have see retirees and have wandered
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SP5 Peter Keane
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SFC Thomas Howes - Where did you go ?
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SGT S Sharpless
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Not a crime, no but morally wrong....yes.
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SGT Chris Hotchkiss
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It is a crime, and punishable as a misdemeanor, subsequent charges can become a felony and punishable by fine, or imprisonment or both.
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SSG Lance Wendling
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It's only a crime if it's done for monetary gain.
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Is it a crime to wear medals/ribbons that you have not earned?
CPT Christopher Webb
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It's not a crime, it's just sad.

I've run into these fakes a few times. It only takes a minute to see through them. Some tried to enlist and were disqualified. Some wish they were one of us and are even enamored with those of us who served. It's is their attempt to belong to something that they can never belong to, but long to belong to.

I say to them, "I wish you could have served for real, that you could have actually been in the military, been part of us ... but you didn't. Take off all this stuff and put on a 'thank a vet' hat ... we'll respect you and even stand by you at the bar." Sometimes I'll say stop pretending and start appreciating. If none of this works then I get the attention of the crowd and expose him right then and there.

I remind myself that there was a time when I was ready and willing to die to protect this very man ... so is it much of a leap to give him a few moments to consider what he is doing? It's not weak to respond the way I do ... and it's more effective in the long run.
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SrA J King
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You served you are just not a combat veteran. Most military members never see combat but you have to support the mission period. It is the other 94% of the population that never wear the uniform that are not veterans including the cops that never been in the uniformed service of the united state of America military.
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SGT Chris Hotchkiss
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it IS a crime, and you can be punished for it. it can get you up to 7 years prison time and/or a fine.
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SPC Medical Specialist
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I heard if they are doing it for financial gain they can be charged with a crime. The thing is most places can't be bothered.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
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“Sad”...isn’t the nutjobs too dumb to grasp looking up the regs and how to properly wear and decorate any given iniform (not to mention wearing one that you might even have a chance meeting height/weight reqs to ever wear (guess nobody wants to impersonate the Navy lol), or grasp that if they looked right, nobody would bother them.

What’s even more sad is actual veterans with the attitude of “he got a shiny medal that I didn’t get” faking their way as well.

Oh well maybe you never put yourself into any situation where you might even have any forms of shit-sandwiches fall upon you...No you joined the least deployable branch in the safest corner of MOS and then cry you didn’t get the MoH.
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These two probably going to have an "NCO CALL" to speak to their fellow fakers and break the news.
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CMSgt Russell Kendall
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IMHO, these two are guilty and punishment should be a good old blanket party and/or a good ass whipping.
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SFC Carlos Cruz
SFC Carlos Cruz
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With all respect, I will disagree with your view Sir. On the suprime court United States v. Alvarez, if you review it the case it was turn down
Because Alvarez was n't wearing this award. United States v. Alvarez, 567 U.S. 709 (2012), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court struck down the Stolen Valor Act, a federal law that criminalized false statements about having a military medal.

It is illegal to used them and yes they can be charge in court for impersonating

After the Stolen Valor Act was struck down, Congress passed a new law making it a crime to profit financially by lying about military service. President Barack Obama signed it in 2013.

After Swisher's conviction, Congress removed a provision making it illegal to wear unearned medals.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
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Re: "These two probably going to have an "NCO CALL" to speak to their fellow fakers and break the news"...or a costume party!
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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LTC (Join to see) The Chief of Staff was hard on officers once whose promotions failed due to unauthorized awards on promotion photographs.
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SGT Mathew Husen
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It is also my right to shame these lying sacks of crap in public.
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LTC Russ Smith
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It is a crime. When the Supreme Court overturned the first stolen valor law in 2006 they told the Congress how to fix it so it passes constitutional muster. If you wear awards and decorations to which you are not entitled and benefit tangibly due to the falsification you can be prosecuted. For example here in Oklahoma City we have an individual who was a 42 Alpha clerk with the 82nd airborne. He falsified his DD 214 on his way out the door. It is been a nightmare catching this guy but he is received over $30,000 in free legal aid based online about a Purple Heart and bronze Star he is received a free all expense paid trip to Las Vegas from a charity etc. So, you can wear them - you can walk outside your house right now wearing a Medal of Honor and nothing can happen to you. The very second you receive something of value as a result of lying about the awards you will go to jail. Or 42A clerk who claims a CIB, BSM, PHM was investigated by CID A gets assigned to the VA IG. I was notified that his case has been referred to the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, The Human Resources Command, and The VA regional office in Muskogee for action.
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SGT Chris Hotchkiss
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EXACTLY! it is a crime, and is punishable via Criminal impersonation second degree for first time offenders...further offenses are more severe, up to 7 years prison sentence and/or fine.
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LTC Russ Smith
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Just a follow-up. The Department of Defense criminal investigative service should be wrapping up their investigation into our local store and dollar offender shortly. Everything I suspected is correct. He was a 42 Alpha clerk assigned to the headquarters and headquarters battery and artillery battalion. He deployed to Afghanistan as a clerk. While in Afghanistan he forged orders for CIB and put them in his record. I found his battalion commander and got a sworn affidavit from him. DCIS has interviewed him and the battalion sergeant major.
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SP5 Bert Corliss
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It may not be a crime. But it is a major insult to those us that have earned the honor of the award. I would suspect that many of these people are the same flakes that greeted us with anything but respect when we returned from Nam.
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SGT Chris Hotchkiss
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it is a crime, and is punishable via Criminal impersonation second degree for first time offenders...further offenses are more severe, up to 7 years prison sentence and/or fine.
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I don't think these flakes were born then, but their parents might have been. I wasn't in Nam, but I remember the bad reception you guys got. I blamed Hanoi Jane and the media then it trickled down to ignorant Americans who believed anything they hear because they have mush for brains.
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SPC Tanya Cummings Boozer
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No, unfortunately it is not against the law unless they gain some type of monetary gain from it.
I have worked with the Stolen Valor community for a few years now and can tell you that maybe 1 out of 50 is actually brought to justice, even after defrauding the government and the public for many thousands of dollars. We worked hard to get the 2006 Stolen Valor act passed only to have nitwit judges, who are allowed more power than they are suppose to have, to overturn that, but are still working on getting the 2012 decision overturned.
Unfortunately it takes years and hard work by many to bring the ones who are guilty of actual fraud to justice, that's IF they are brought to justice.
What everyone can do, however, is shame these posers, once you are positive they are posers, in front of everyone; this sometimes works and sometimes just makes them do it more as they are attention seekers. Of course, there are many variables to this as well though.
It's not always someone who never served, and is more often someone who embellishes on his or her military service. I still do not understand why those who did serve their country cannot just be proud of that instead of lying about it instead. Every job in the military is just as important as the other and they all rely on one another, from the cook or company clerk to the Special Forces and everything in between.
Yea, this is a very sore subject with me as well!
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SPC Medical Specialist
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Most of the time it never makes it to court. The lawyers don't make enough money from it so they won't bother. Sometimes a public shame is enough. I would turn a blind eye to one of them getting an ass whipping.
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SGT Randel Pruett
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A current uniform and medals in my opinion would be the same as impersonating a police officer. Just wearing medals isn't a problem, it becomes a problem when you claim that you earned them for monetary gain. Let's face it, we can tell who a poser is within a few seconds or minutes.
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