Posted on Jul 8, 2016
SrA Rebecca Jaffee
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So last week I was at the chow hall with another girl from my squadron, and we see this SSgt wearing nearly black lipstick across the room. This is very obviously out of regs as makeup is to be conservative and lipstick can not contrast with your skin tone. She was obviously a higher rank than me or the airman I went to chow with, and neither of us said anything even though both of us desperately wanted to. She looked ridiculous. It was so bad that some male airmen at the table next to us noticed it and asked us about the reg. Anyway my question is, is it appropriate to confront a higher rank when they are blatantly disregarding regs?

PS There was a visiting 2 star across the chow hall at the time
PPS Sorry the pictures are so bad. We were far away.
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SPC Nilza Rivera
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Honestly I’ve seen a lot but, I did approach and understood the regulations and politely quoted with my respect.
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SSG Ronald Rollins
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While it is said an on the spot correction is what should be done, if may get you rolled up also. I, as a SSGt in the army, made a correction to a SPC. I get a call from EO. Now I was the EO rep for the company. I carried the reg in my car and showed her where she was wrong. if I did not know the EO I would have lost my career. 90% of female claim males do t know the regs and are harassing them. I seen it and handled it. if it does not come back in their favor, they claim it is rigged and more harassment. vicious circle.
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SSG Wayne Wood
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I agree with the others. Tact is the key.

I've shared an example elsewhere, but as this question has come up a personal experience bears repeating. I was an E-5 with the 82nd at Ft Bragg. One day I was coming out of the store on my way home when I saw three senior NCOs getting out of their car, as I recall there were two E-7s and one E-8 Master Sergeant. It was about 1983 and they were in their Class B's (Greens Trousers with Gray-green shirt). None of them put on headgear when they got out of the car. I noticed National Guard tags on their car and figured they were at Bragg for Summer Camp.

As they walked across the parking lot in my direction I debated what to do. All these guys outranked me. At the same time...

So I swallowed and said, "Excuse me Sergeants. The Courtesy Patrol is active around here and they'll nab you for being uncovered. That was true.

They paused a moment. I saw one of the E-7s kind of flush. He didn't appreciate being corrected by an E-5. But the E-8 spoke first, "You're right. Thanks Sergeant." He looked at his friends, "The last thing we need is a DR for not wearing a hat offpost."

I breathed a sigh of relief and went on my way.
Tact. It was a learned virtue.
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SSG George Holtje
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Posting pics without permission of the individual is not really a way to go either.

Respectfully, Tactfully, at a low volume.
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PO1 Utilitiesman
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Yes you can but it must be done in a very respectful way
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SSG Tom Montgomery
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Always be tactful, friendly and respectful. Also remember to check your complaint first. Make sure you are right. Remember, you should always be respectful, especially those with higher rank.
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SSG Mark Franzen
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I would wait and talk to her away from people and ask her respectfully If its CSM then address to rank and ask. SSG MARK A FRANZEN
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MSgt Don Dobbs
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Using tact and diplomacy is the way to go but always point out and make correction regardless of rank. I once asked a Major General to please button his pocket as there were over a hundred basic trainees watching him. I actually placed a 1st Lt under apprehension for violating the UCMJ for which she was later court martialed. If you are ever corrected by someone who is of lesser rank, make the correction, thank them and go on your way. After all it's a two way street.
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SFC Oddie Brown
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Years ago I had a Bn CSM that used to tell us, "Every time you walk by a piece of trash, cigarette butt or a violation of any kind, if you do NOT address it, YOU just set a new standard." Best advice I ever heard and used it myself for the rest of my career. So yes, I would have addressed it TACTFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY then I would move on. For what it's worth I was told once I was as tactful as a rusty nail, LOL.
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Capt Gene Leone
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Yes. Been there, seen this, done this. That being said, be prepared for what comes next as your "superior (officer)" [borrowing a line from "Down Periscope" - " ... No, merely a higher ranking one ..."] is going to come down on you like stink on crap. Having grown up a working and rodeo cowboy I've always enjoyed a good fight so for me the choice has always been easy. Most of my commissioned career [I was both enlisted and commissioned] was spent in Intel'. I came to DMA from DIA and was "blessed" with the additional duty of Security Officer. Like the shot monitor, nobody likes the Security Officer. We had an international incident with the Israelis due to a stupid 2d Lieutenant [am I being redundant here?] who sent out Israeli classified as UNCLASSIFIED. Our commander, a "telephone colonel" deliberately kept me totally out of the loop as he knew from experience I took security seriously and gave no slack. Cutting to the chase, I learned by chance of the incident from said 2d Lieutenant and laid out the specific reg's and consequence options. I was told "... THE GAWD DAMN REGULATIONS AREN'T ETCHED IN GRANITE, YOU KNOW!" to wit I told el Comandante if he didn't take appropriate action I would forward it directly to our parent command, Defense Mapping Agency, in Reston VA. He ordered me not to. His "order" was illegal and I forwarded everything I had. The coverup went all the way to a BG in DMA. What nobody anticipated, however, was before working for DIA I flew with SAC where you live and die by the reg's. Further, being your basic sneaky shit by nature, I RECORDED all our conversations concerning "the incident". The aforementioned BG flew to Cheyenne to tell me personally he was "...considering charging you [me] with ''mutiny'". When I was enlisted, I was an Army "!! Bravo" and my area of operation was the A Shau Valley. General officers did not "intimidate" me because they were and are not the entire North Vietnamese Army trying to kill me. Due to my background in "tradecraft", I was able to see justice done. The BG "retired" along with el Comandante, a GS-14, two GS-13's, several lower lowlifes and our IQ challenged 2d Lieutenant who was transferred to Minot, ND. So here is what you need to do: There are numerous digital DVR's you can buy that are in such innocuous things like fully functional ballpoint pens, wristwatches, key fobs, digital voice recorders and the like. I used a micro cassette recorder in a three ring binder with my security reg's but that was back in the mid-80's. Technology has advanced tremendously and the prices are "give away". Buy several different DVR's and keep at least one on you at all times; preferably two. If and when the repercussions begin, contact the JAG with your transcribed recordings. BE CERTAIN TO MAKE BACKUPS OF EVERYTHING; MULTIPLE BACKUPS. That's just in case things get "lost". DMA hadn't expected that when my desk was rifled one weekend. What they took ... excuse me, what was "misplaced" was one of the backups; not the original. So again, YES, when an order violates regulations and laws like, in my case, the Espionage Act, confront said "higher ranking" person(s) with the regulations in hand. Good luck.
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