Posted on Jun 24, 2014
CPT Jacob Swartout
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Would it make more logical sense to have an assigned 42A MOS qualified human resource specialist at the company level for admin? As you know, units just train up someone in a different MOS to do administrative work. Would a change in the unit's MTOE to authorize this personnel move at the company level be something worth considering in your opinion?
Posted in these groups: Ag_regimental_insignia 42A: Human Resources Specialist
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SFC Senior Human Resources Sergeant
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Sir, I totally agree. It makes everyone's job a little bit easier. When I was a BN S1, I had some non 42A company PACs. It is okay to train these high speed Soldiers on personnel stuff but the problem is they cannot get any access on any of the systems that we use because of the simple fact that they're not 42s. A simple PT or weapons update to me should be done in company level but BN always end up doing these little updates because they don't have access.
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CPT Jacob Swartout
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cross training is good for all
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SFC Douglas Eshenbaugh stated it very well. This is one of those great in theory, not very practical ideas. 42A is a low density MOS to begin with and while you may think a -10 level would suffice, the skill set of the person would most likely not be sufficient to do the job. It would take -20 level to ensure enough time in service to have developed the required skills to really be an asset. Even then, there is no guarantee. And you would have to either increase the Army end strength (good luck) or request to swap out an existing slot in your MTOE for a 42A slot. And this change would have to be agreed upon by EVERY major unit in the Army that uses the same MTOE structure (again, good luck in getting every Fires Brigade to agree on anything!). A more plausible solution is to have the company admin Soldier conduct low density training with the BN S1 staff at least twice a month. Most of what an admin clerk does is easily acquired skill that a seasoned Senior HR Sergeant (ahem!) could train them on.
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CPT Jacob Swartout
CPT Jacob Swartout
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I friend of mine thought that the new 10 level could start at BN and once they become a E-4, the experience would be good enough to work at a CO/TRP level. Again the whole Army would need to agree on such a move as you mentioned. Chances are that won't happen anytime in the next few decades.
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CPT Jacob Swartout it's a practical idea in theory but when you get into the weeds of how it will work in reality, it's just not plausible. Not with the Army mindset on downsizing. I do feel that you could achieve some level of success by have those personnel train with the BN S1. I had some success with it but not all my companies were on board with the idea.
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Sir, I think this is a great idea and needs to be implemented. Placing an experienced SPC or PFC as the admin clerk for each company/troop would be a boon for the administration side. I think it would definitely help alleviate paperwork going from a unit to higher.
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CPT Jacob Swartout
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Keeps other soldiers from being left out of their MOS training. I knew one NCO who had the position for 2 yrs and when he went back to work in his MOS, he was behind in experience
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Most definitely. Does a major disservice to not just the soldier but also to the military AND the taxpayers.
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CPT Jacob Swartout it sounds like that NCO had a disservice done to them by their 1SG and CDR. You know your admin NCO is not a 42A, so don't keep them in this additional duty for longer than 1yr. He/She may be the best admin NCO you ever had, but do the right thing for the Soldier and let them go back to their career field.
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