Posted on Sep 19, 2015
Is it possible to get promoted this quickly in the Air Force? Is this typical for band members?
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So, this girl is 19, 4 months TIS and made Tech. Sgt (E-6) already. Typo? Misprint? Or horrible lapse in judgement?
Has anyone else heard about this?
http://www.usafband.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123449378
Has anyone else heard about this?
http://www.usafband.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123449378
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 412
Guess that is why when you see the band it looks like a zebra convention more stripes than in a zoo
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Well first off I would like to recognize the best of the Air Force i.e Pararescue and Fighter Piolets you are the only real warriors the Air Force has, and you mostly work for Army and Marines, with respect. Now let's be honest the word," Airman or Airwoman," stems from Latin meaning," Fake soldier." No one outside of the Chair Force really cares its not like she'll be commanding troops in combat. She's pretend like the majority of the Chair Force," Except for those mentioned earlier." Sorry guys, but when you take a P.T test on an exercise bike credibility just fly's out the window. So, just be patient eventually most Air People will be promoted, for excellence in remedial paperwork. Charlie Mike, and fly a kite
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Embarrassment to the NCO Corp; unless she was a CEO or equivalent along those lines. She should not be an NCO. Imagine a PV1 coming into the Army from the street, fresh out of high school and tasked to lead soldiers into combat as a SSG/Platoon SGT.
Perhaps we don't the know the full story but that's my initial take on this.
Perhaps we don't the know the full story but that's my initial take on this.
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PO1 John Miller
SSG (Join to see)
Singing is definitely not the same as leading Soldiers into combat.
Singing is definitely not the same as leading Soldiers into combat.
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I will never understand the insanity that is the AF Promotion System. Make up a Policy and then disregard it to fill a vital position of Band Singer.
WHATEVER
WHATEVER
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someone is thinking with their little head this is insulting to actual Air Force personnel
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Wait..she's 19!? That doesn't sound right! I can't tell you the countless times me and others test for rank, fall just short of the cutoff score, then we have to get back on the ol' promo horse and try again for next year. Even if this IS the band, this is BS to me! If that's the case, she should be a SrA at the most!
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Good for her. Not only is it a great feat, but it's even harder for women in any field to advance at all, let alone to e6 so quickly... I made e5 my first time around at the age of 21, took the exam for e6 and passed it, but got out of the service for family emergency... However I was on th road ro be a 6 year chief... Probably wouldn't have picked it up first time around. But point is if u are good at what u do, and there is the chance for advancemtnt, of course u take it, no matter what u age or job... If she didn't deserve it, they wouldn't have given her the position. It's simple as that.
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SMSgt Tony Barnes I could not disagree more, but the awesomeness of your stache will not allow me.
Robin Olds is very proud somewhere these days!
Robin Olds is very proud somewhere these days!
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This is the reason I stopped serving the military! As an aircraft mechanic I had very good skills, a degree, an FAA Airframe and Powerplant rating I was a seven level. After twelve years with only one real promotion that's E-5 I walked away from it all. I saw favoritism in the system allowing other to achieve rank while most of our AFSC never had a chance. This is the best way for the USAF to loose people.
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I think this is outrageous and disrespectful. This is the military normalizing women in what women demand. I have seen to many great combat soldiers who deserve a promotion. All of them have now lost thier jobs due to a "down grade". I would want my sergeants wisdom, and not a opinion.
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Also note it is easily possible or has in the past, if someone had a lot of college credits or a degree. E-5 with an ASAP to E-6 was possible coming out of basic/ait In the Army.Having a high degree of certifiable skill in an instrument , is what Military bands want/need, not teaching someone how to play. So years playing and possible a degree in the same could easily warrant such a rank. And the the higher pay , is necessary for retention of such people.
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Years back that was possible in the Army bands too. I met E-6's with 2 years in. And yes the air force, E-5 was possible/typical in two years. We (detail from a tank company)once spent a few weeks on an airbase loading the brigade for NTC. Lotta fun, good chow, and nice Air Chicks, and yea E-5 , 2 years.
Their barracks rooms looked like a college or teenage girl room (cute little bears on shelfs ,pink paint, etc.), and smelled that wonderful smell of baby power, just like girls' rooms back in High School.
Yea , the Air Force looked to be a great way to spend time in the Military without being out in the mud 6-8 months a year, no hard work, and getting half a day to go to college classes, and no chicks in sight.
Perhaps We made an error? Nah.
Their barracks rooms looked like a college or teenage girl room (cute little bears on shelfs ,pink paint, etc.), and smelled that wonderful smell of baby power, just like girls' rooms back in High School.
Yea , the Air Force looked to be a great way to spend time in the Military without being out in the mud 6-8 months a year, no hard work, and getting half a day to go to college classes, and no chicks in sight.
Perhaps We made an error? Nah.
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PO1 John Miller
SPC Christopher Perrien
It's STILL possible. Members of the Army Band come in as I believe E4 and once they complete AIT are promoted to E6.
It's STILL possible. Members of the Army Band come in as I believe E4 and once they complete AIT are promoted to E6.
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So, did she even attend basic training? MOS training? Or was this like a direct join to the band??
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Sgt Ivan Radusinovic
She attended basic. The President's Own is the only military band that doesn't attend boot camp.
She attended basic. The President's Own is the only military band that doesn't attend boot camp.
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By regulation, is it possible for her to get E-6 for the time in service that she has served? Why she was promoted is irrelevant except for those involved in her chain of command.
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I have no issue with her getting promoted but by regulation how is she that rank. She does not meet the minimal requirements of service time
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SGT Jason Clair
I suggest you familiarize yourself with this: http://www.usafband.af.mil/questions/topic.asp?id=954
It will answer your question(s).
I suggest you familiarize yourself with this: http://www.usafband.af.mil/questions/topic.asp?id=954
It will answer your question(s).
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Pathetic, and we wonder why the hair force has all its problems and the other branches have no respect for it.
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I have heard of this happening before. In my AFSC, it's very possible to promote quickly, but you have to apply yourself - about 7-8 years for TSgt. This young lady has been promoted to TSgt in just a few months - unacceptable in my book. What I don't understand, how is it she promoted so quickly and hasn't completed all her PME? How does this work? She doesn't have the slightest idea how to lead, supervise or mentor airman. As a TSgt, you are the "Technical Expert" in your AFSC. Is there a specific AFSC for Band? I believe this is an injustice to the promotion system, injustice to the NCO corp, and most importantly, an injustice to this young lady. Doesn't matter where she goes in life, she will have no credibility with her fellow airman and NCOs. The AF has set her for failure. I would not want to be in her shoes. However, if someone would have offered that to me when I was an airman, I would have jumped all over it.
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SMSgt Cary Baker
http://www.usafband.af.mil/questions/topic.asp?id=954
It may suck but it's Air Force policy.
http://www.usafband.af.mil/questions/topic.asp?id=954
It may suck but it's Air Force policy.
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SMSgt Cary Baker
Wow, I had no idea!! This tells me that all USAF Band members are in this field only; therefore, these NCOs should never be placed in another unit and in a position to supervise other than their own unit. Thanks. And yes it sucks. hahah
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So all i need to do is learn how to play the trumpet and i can get promoted like this chick?
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PO1 John Miller
Cpl David Sanchez
Only if you're talented enough to be assigned to the premier band, in your case the President's Own. If assigned to a Fleet Band you would work your way up the ranks just like the rest of the "real" military.
Only if you're talented enough to be assigned to the premier band, in your case the President's Own. If assigned to a Fleet Band you would work your way up the ranks just like the rest of the "real" military.
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Majority of our Airman have earned the right to wear the rank, which comes with experience, knowledge and dedication. The definition of an NCO is clearly defined In the Enlisted Force Structure! There are Airman everyday that put their lives at risks that are deserving of Step promotion, but it's our jobs to do just that. So, why is this Airman able to bypass this system for doing her everyday job? What's the point of that little brown book and the responsibility that comes with it? Why does it only apply to some of us?
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