Posted on Sep 19, 2015
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So, this girl is 19, 4 months TIS and made Tech. Sgt (E-6) already. Typo? Misprint? Or horrible lapse in judgement?

Has anyone else heard about this?

http://www.usafband.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123449378
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TSgt Jeremy S.
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I was a recruiter for many years, it is correct. Band members have masters degrees in music. Once selected they do enter as E-6's which seems unfair but consider they are not officers and they probably won't see another promotion for many many years, if ever.
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TSgt David Blakley
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This article will place the above story in perspective: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/3lkp3b/9_month_tsgt_in_usaf_band/ Her promotion is basically pay because everyone is TSgt and above in the AF Band. If she cross-trains to a new AFSC she will lose at least one stripe. At least that's the way I understand the story.
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SFC Karl Sauter
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Look at it this way haters. For an Infantry soldier to make E6 they have promotion boards, 2 leadership schools, probably some college, and maxing their pt tests, all while learning the skills inherent in infantry. I'm thankful for all you do. Musicians in the special bands or premier bands have been in training their whole life learning their instrument. Only very few musicians get accepted into these bands by a rigorous audition process. They are the special forces of the music field. Are you haters also mad because the military hires civilian doctors and makes them colonels? Whether you like it or not you better cll them sir or mam or Sgt because they have both have the authority to jack you up. I'm just saying.
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SFC Karl Sauter
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It is possible in all the services. Every service has a premier band. The Air Force Band at Bolling Air Force Base is their premier band and their basic rank is E6. Now these really talented musicians may get 6 quickly but run the risk of possibly retiring as a 6. This is because all of the members in that band are competing against each other for promotion. Most of them aren't afforded a chance to go to military leadership schools nor do they fire weapons. The only way they can compete with one another is a resume loaded with college. That's why most of them have graduate degrees.
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SSG S3 Det Training Ncoic
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It's no different with Pershing's own, which has their members join at SSG. Heck, even the regular Army Bands (small and medium sized) come in as Specialists. The best way that I can break this down for you is this: We in the Army Bands all had to audition for a slot, not just enlist into one. We had to hone our skills for over a decade before we could even be considered for a 42R or 42S slot (I came into the Army as a PFC. I had been playing clarinet for 13 years and had spent thousands of dollars on lessons, instruments, and countless hours in the practice room). Every single person in my unit *wants* to be there. Every single person in my unit is a professional musician. Allowing bandsmen- especially those in the special bands- to come in as a E6 is a form of compensation for the literal years it took to hone that skill. We are one of the smallest MOSs in the Army, yet we have one of the biggest home side missions. If she's good enough to get into a special band, then she's earned it.
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SSG S3 Det Training Ncoic
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I want to emphasize again that this is a SPECIAL band, not a typical band. Not everybody in the band comes in as a NCO.
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1SG Harold Piet
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If you have any complaints, Join the band. and Get you some
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1SG Harold Piet
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Truthfully, If She is an E6 she should be able to lead her group in a combat environment. We are soldiers first and whatever our MOS is second.
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While it is comparing apples to oranges, the 18X program is similar...to a degree. Once the Soldier finishes Q course, they get promoted to Sergeant and then SSG once they go to ALC, but it is a much longer process. Is it the right way to do business for the Air Force? I don't know for sure, but since I feel I know a little about leadership, I think I am a qualified to chime in. I truly believe she will never be a leader until she develops the skills and is properly mentored, so she will be a TSgt for a long time. She has proven she knows how to sing and is technically good at it, so hence the advanced rank. Does it make it right, especially for all of those who have been toiling to pass a test for years? Not sure, but it all boils down to a job and what the Air Force is willing to pay her.
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SGT Infantryman
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Quit trying to take a bite of someone elses cookie. Go earn your own cookie and enjoy it! This is a term i call the army cookie syndrome someone else who is acting childish when they see someone else get the cookie and they want to take their cookie away rather than earn their own! SGT. Fox, Ryan US Army
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1SG Fred Ferguson
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If you don't want this then don't have a band. If you are the best then they make you lead vocalist. She will lead by example. She turned down fame to perform solely for our service members. You can try and fill her shoes but you are simply not capable.
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SSgt Student
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So if I understand this right, band members are special and get to rank up like that because most musicians of their caliber (lol) wouldn't join if they had to start from the bottom and work their way up like everyone else, but not to worry, they don't have authority outside of band... eh, I would say this is still outrageous and I question the necessity of a taxpayer-funded band. With all this outrage about weekly stolen valor incidents, you'd think more people would raise eyebrows at fake airmen playing dress-up while taking home E-6+ pay every month. I know they're here to entertain deployed, high ops tempo soldiers but they didn't have to present themselves as real sergeants, that's just in poor taste. God help us all if they're allowed to reclass AND keep their rank.
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Fraudulent misrepresentation sums it up pretty good I think.
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Sgt Spencer Sikder
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It's been many years since I spoke with Marine band members, but they too received rank quickly. Of course some of the members were recruited from quality music schools for the purpose of their talent. And when they perform publicly, they bring in support and resources. I haven't been to an Air show that didn't rake in hundreds of thousands for the venue. The Marine band as with any military band are used in various capacities including promotion of the organization. I'm curious when the branches decide on how many of a particular rank they can promote that year, does it include these folks? BTW, the band members I spoke with, many who were E-5 or better, respected us more so for our service to our country. As for the pay, just like any other military organization, there is equipment upkeep, practice, hurry up and wait, being on the road for extended periods away from their family and friends as well, etc. Our group came in Saturday for a morning parade through town, an evening performance in the park and then another morning parade in an adjoining town. At one point a surprised shower popping up. There was no per diem for this weekend. Of course they didn't pay for the hotel and meals, as the service organizations put together spaghetti dinners and box lunches and such.
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