Posted on Oct 8, 2020
Is it possible to try again to enlist after being disapproved by BUMED due to a history of Bipolar and ODD?
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Ok so this one is going to be a long post. This is my first time posting here and I’m hoping I get some helpful answers. In 2014 my dad (retired marine) took me in to see a psychiatrist. After 3 sessions and my dad talking a lot of crap on me, I was prescribed 1 month of medication and given 2 Dx for Bipolar Disorder (unspecified) and Oppositional Defiance Disorder. After the one month of meds (I never had to take any more) my behavior “drastically improved.” Flash forward to 2017, I’m trying to enlist in the Marine Corps ,( my dream since I was 6) and I’m being told I can’t join because of those 2 dx. So for 2 years (2017-2019) I scramble around getting every piece of paperwork, including my medical records, and getting those 2 dx overturned by the same psychiatrist and a different one. I got every piece of paperwork I was asked to get and then was told all I had to do was go to meps and complete my asvab and physical where I would then be DQd but would get my waiver from bumed. I have never been denied by bumed, all the letters I received were remedial letters. Everyone who was working on my case was so sure my waiver would pass. But just yesterday I received the call saying my waiver was denied due to being physically and mentally unfit. I’m at a loss of what to do since I put so much time and effort into getting everything requested from me for 2 years. I don’t understand how the one doctor up at bumed could possibly say I’m unfit due to a history of Bipolar and ODD, even after having the dx overturned twice by the same doctor and a new one. Even the meps doctor who interviewed me said I was fine! This doctor denying me has never met me or even talked to me.
Does anybody have any advice on trying again or what I can/should do? Everyone is telling me to give up and I refuse to because becoming a marine is my dream.
Does anybody have any advice on trying again or what I can/should do? Everyone is telling me to give up and I refuse to because becoming a marine is my dream.
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Mayah Glynn My 2 cents is that if it is doable, it will be difficult to get a waiver. I seem to remember (way too long ago) that you had to have at least 6 months of medicated treatment to be disqualifying. But, that was the Navy, and I just saw the message as I was looking up stuff for one of my sailors that had BPD. If I understand all you said, you only had one month of treatment?
The reality is that we are in a semi-drawdown and in that case waivers become much more difficult. You end up with more applicants than openings, so it is easier to just deny waiver requests.
What I would do is this:
1) Figure out if the issue was bs from when you were a kid. Will the stress of combat cause a re-emergence. If you can't answer that honestly, then there is no point going forward. Because the fact is if you could become a danger to yourself and other Marines, you should find something else to do. Harsh reality, but it is what it is. If you can honestly say it was crap from when you were younger, then I would follow the steps below.
2) Find out if there is an appeal process for the denial. Be a pain in the a@@, call, email and write to the person who denied your waiver. Find their supervisor, and bug the crap out of them. There is an element of the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Keep pushing your recruiter and MEPS personnel in the same manner.
3) Get all your ducks in a row. Find all the references that apply to your case. They probably cited some BUMED messages in the denial. Get them. Find out exactly which section applies to you and find out if they are in error. Put together a package. Find a local Congressperson that represents you ( I find Senators are better than Reps). Write a letter (mandatory logging and response by their office) detailing your desires, the DQ reason you were given, and then refute the reason based on the documents you have found and your medical records.
4) Get in the absolute best shape of your life. The chance that a Marine MEPS/recruiter will blow you off if you are a puff body like me is higher than if you are a PT stud.
5) Practice the ASVAB, study your butt off and get top scores. You are trying to give them a reason to give you a shot.
6) Try and volunteer with some high stress groups (Firefighters, and the like).
7) Lastly, you have to realize that even with busting your tail, it may not work out. And that's okay, One door closes and another opens. I had my heart set on being a Marine Infantry Officer. Never looked at anything else. Got hurt my senior year, and went Surface Navy and had an absolute blast. Just keep in mind if it doesn't work out, it isn't the end of the world.
Best of luck.
The reality is that we are in a semi-drawdown and in that case waivers become much more difficult. You end up with more applicants than openings, so it is easier to just deny waiver requests.
What I would do is this:
1) Figure out if the issue was bs from when you were a kid. Will the stress of combat cause a re-emergence. If you can't answer that honestly, then there is no point going forward. Because the fact is if you could become a danger to yourself and other Marines, you should find something else to do. Harsh reality, but it is what it is. If you can honestly say it was crap from when you were younger, then I would follow the steps below.
2) Find out if there is an appeal process for the denial. Be a pain in the a@@, call, email and write to the person who denied your waiver. Find their supervisor, and bug the crap out of them. There is an element of the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Keep pushing your recruiter and MEPS personnel in the same manner.
3) Get all your ducks in a row. Find all the references that apply to your case. They probably cited some BUMED messages in the denial. Get them. Find out exactly which section applies to you and find out if they are in error. Put together a package. Find a local Congressperson that represents you ( I find Senators are better than Reps). Write a letter (mandatory logging and response by their office) detailing your desires, the DQ reason you were given, and then refute the reason based on the documents you have found and your medical records.
4) Get in the absolute best shape of your life. The chance that a Marine MEPS/recruiter will blow you off if you are a puff body like me is higher than if you are a PT stud.
5) Practice the ASVAB, study your butt off and get top scores. You are trying to give them a reason to give you a shot.
6) Try and volunteer with some high stress groups (Firefighters, and the like).
7) Lastly, you have to realize that even with busting your tail, it may not work out. And that's okay, One door closes and another opens. I had my heart set on being a Marine Infantry Officer. Never looked at anything else. Got hurt my senior year, and went Surface Navy and had an absolute blast. Just keep in mind if it doesn't work out, it isn't the end of the world.
Best of luck.
I know this isn't what you may want to hear but I would look at something else as a career option. The military isn't willing to accept any risk when it comes to behavioral health. I know it isn't really fair but fair isn't something that is guaranteed in the military when it comes to joining.
Keep on trying to enlist. You got a bum rap and it is not your fault. Go up the recruiting chain of command if nothing else works. Sooner or later they have to enlist you. Show them you have the heart to be a MARINE.
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Thank you! I just don’t know where to go from here. No one of giving me feedback or even answering my calls. It seems very fishy but I wouldn’t know who to talk to about it. I have gone up the recruiting chain. I had a Captain working on my case up at the recruiting HQ. He seemed positive about my waiver so I’m not sure what went wrong. I’m very physically fit, and have a pretty good asvab score of 85 with a GT score of 120.
GySgt Gary Cordeiro
Mayah Glynn
I agree, fishy indeed. Have you thought about doing a flanking maneuver and enter by being commissioned as an officer instead of enlisted?
I agree, fishy indeed. Have you thought about doing a flanking maneuver and enter by being commissioned as an officer instead of enlisted?
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GySgt Gary Cordeiro I have not. I figure if I can’t enlist then surely they wouldn’t let me enlist as an officer.
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