Posted on Feb 22, 2018
Is it realistic to believe that a teacher could effectively defend against an active shooter, using an AR-15, armed with only a handgun?
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After the shooting in Florida many people began to say arm the teachers. But they over look that a police officer was there. As a Marine I understand how difficult it is to close on and take an active shooter even with the best training and equipment. During the Dallas shooting 11 police officers was injured and another 6 was killed. Out of all the return fire none actually hit the suspect. Infact the suspect was killed by a remote control robot carrying an explosive. The reason why the suspect wasn't killed by a well aimed handgun shot is because of what we call the fog of war. When the shooting starts panic and confusion set in and the way we deal with it in the military is continually to train for those situations week in and week out. But without a third of the training people are expecting teachers to be able to identify the location of the shooter, know the movement of other armed teachers, know the movement of the innocent students and staff, close on the shooter and fire a well aimed shot without putting any students in further danger. Is that realistic?
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"Arm the Teachers" is a knee jerk reaction that is just as stupid as trying to ban weapons. Many teachers don't want to have anything to do with carrying a weapon and aren't mentally fit to carry one as far as having a mindset.
Hiring school resource officers is a better plan, as well as addressing disciplinary and mental issues.
Hiring school resource officers is a better plan, as well as addressing disciplinary and mental issues.
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The first thing it does is deterrence. Would an active shooter be more or less likely to attack a school knowing that many teachers may be armed, versus a "gun-free zone"? Secondly, it also gives students and staff at least a fighting chance.
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As a last ditch, no other option, bad guy coming through my classroom door? Yep?
Nobody expects teachers to go out and hunt down the bad guy.
Nobody expects teachers to go out and hunt down the bad guy.
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Have seen the damage a S&W Judge with 3" double aught buck .410 shell can do to someone? No comparison, the shooter is down, no doubts! Stagger with .45 Long colt and you have a formidable self-defense/offensive weapon in the Judge!
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L.Cpl. McCain, Sir; Well said.. "Panic and Confusion" How TRUE... Respectfully, Semper fi.. MIke
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Our county just announced they'll be hiring 100 new officers so that they can place at least one in each school. While that may sound good, just keep in mind the sort of training they'll receive and then ask yourself how that would compare to a 'real world' situation where you have dozens of kids running an screaming in a crowed hallway and among them one person with an AR? paper targets and a few hours (if they're lucky) using FATs is NOT proper training for what these officers might face and you're telling me you want to arm teachers? Where did you get your education?
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It's a psychological deterrent as well as another physical barrier that a school shooter has to be concerned with, so I think it would be somewhat effective even if the teacher has only average skills. It's not an ideal solution, but it should be considered as an option for those willing to commit to the training. I retired from law enforcement after 32 years and I've seen civilians (including teachers) do some incredibly brave things and have known a few that could match qualify with handguns alongside the best cops I worked with.
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Andy Van Der Plaats
Locks are barriers against honest law abiding people, not against someone intent on killing people. Most schools already have locks and limited avenues of access, but that hasn't stopped anyone so far.
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LCpl Timothy McCain Yes, the personnel chosen should be prior military, police or people willing to train to this level as a volunteer. Having this deterrent is a factor and just because a 'teacher' = trained person has a weapon does not make the environment more or less dangerous.
There still must be training for how students, armed teachers who are trained and local police forces will all react together.
There should also be a federal government sponsored non-lethal weapon program to develop hand held non-lethal methods better than our current technology. We should be able to have better stun and capture weapons available that will not kill.
There still must be training for how students, armed teachers who are trained and local police forces will all react together.
There should also be a federal government sponsored non-lethal weapon program to develop hand held non-lethal methods better than our current technology. We should be able to have better stun and capture weapons available that will not kill.
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