Posted on May 19, 2015
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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Is it morally wrong? To my personal way of thinking, of course...that being said, that whole topic has been gone over and over and over, repeatedly, time and time again, literally to a fare thee well, by virtually every level of court, incl the Supreme Court, and every single time, it's been decided that it's allowed, stare decisis, I gather, as a court would say, and I'm obv not an attorney, of course, I've just seem such terminology applied to such questions in the course of reading...it's just as simple as that...that being said, is it desirable? Certainly not...however, is it permissible? Apparently so...nauseating, certainly, however, apparently totally permissible, all the same, however much one might personally lament the fact, of course...in an earlier era, during WW1, WW2, or Korea, e.g., it'd most likely have never been societally tolerated, for the most part, I would think, from all I've seen on such a topic...however, this is a different social era, I'm afraid, and, that being said, morals change, frequently for the worse, I'd suppose, esp about something of that sort, however, one simply can't do anything to change that, however much one might personally deplore it, that's all I'm meaning to say, honest...I know I'm likely to be disagreed with, of course, however, those are just my own thoughts about the whole thing, for whatever they might be worth....
Capt Daniel Goodman
Obv no one likes seeing such things, 99.999% of the time, that's i think, a given. Here's the thing that occurs to me: Is it desirable? Clearly not, certainly. Is it preferable? Also, obv not, certainly. That being said, certain fundamental issues are just simply fundamentally irresolvable, they always have been, they always will be. One can legislate, one can have court actions, on and on and on as nauseum, and the whole thing will just simply never be settled. I've watched video after video after video, seen photo after photo after photo, and it'll just never change. Should it? Being neither omniscient nor omnipotent, last I looked, I quite frankly haven't a clue, honest. That's way, way above my pay grade, personal viewpoints aside, there'll always be those who refuse to tolerate it, refuse to sit by and do nothing when they see it, and those who applaud freedom of speech, always. Who's right? Not clue one, as I said, no matter what i might personalpy think, or wish could be universally requisite. Sometimes, there are just certain questions that just seem to be, as I'd tried to say, fundamentally irresolvable, you know? Those who lived in ww2, I'd expect, couldn't envision such a thing, such a thing was clearly anathema back then; now, as society evolves, morality changes despite one's wishes to the contrary, one would hope not, however, inevitably, it just happens, and that'll just simply never change, unfortunately, you know? Just some thoughts hope they were of interest, honest, I'm not expecting to be agreed with. I just thought it a relevant philosophical point, that's all, honest.
Capt Richard I P.
No. It is never acceptable for an individual to initiate force against another.
SFC Melvin Brandenburg
SFC Melvin Brandenburg
5 y
How then do we justify an invasion? I think force sometimes is the only appropriate answer.
CDR Michael Goldschmidt
This is from one of my Facebook friends, but I think it sums up this principle perfectly. There was a parallel discussion on Facebook.

"Every time someone insists that hurting someone for hurting the flag is a perfectly valid response, even a preferred response, they hurt the very principles the flag stands for, thus tromping said fabric themselves while taking their own metaphorical shit atop it. It's a paradox that so few unfortunately get. It's the concept behind the symbol that holds importance, not the symbol itself. The symbol itself is just a quick, easy, and visually meaningful way of conveying the concept BEHIND it. The symbol itself stands for nothing if you're trampling the concept in your efforts to protect the symbol."
SFC Melvin Brandenburg
SFC Melvin Brandenburg
5 y
I disagree.
SFC John Trujillo
Do you really have to knock them out to secure it. Look up "The Greatest Play in Baseball" about some commie protester attempting to burn a flag during a MLB game. The right fielder, I believe, ran up with the intention of running the progressive hippie over but grabbed up the flag right before it could be set on fire. You can always follow them home and knock them out.
SPC Alejandro Martinez
Yes, but don't get caught.
PFC Tuan Trang
Even thought is offensive to me when someone do that, but hurting them will get you no where but behind bar.
MSgt Michelle Mondia
No! You're violating their amendments rights. Is it worth to knock out a bunch of Skin Heads trapcing around with swastika flags in KKK marches? If this idiots are protected under the 2nd amendment so should the dissenting voices of dissatisfied Americans.
PO3 Kandi Peterson-Fritz
I'd secure the flag, and based on circumstances, let them know my opinion of what they are. After all all military "fight and protect" the rights of opinions like this.. but honestly the amendment protects them from government not from me.
Maj John Bell
Maj John Bell
5 y
I don't like it anymore than you do, but under what authority are "securing" someone else's property? As soon as you go beyond giving them an earful and attempt to secure the item you are most likely in violation of the law.

If I can only defend one, the Constitution or the National Ensign, I choose the Constitution.
MSgt Manuel Diaz
No, just pick up the flag and give it to the boy scouts for proper disposal or if you no longer trust the BSA, then properly dispose yourself.... and if you happen to get punched when you drop to pick up the flag, then with defense as a defense.... block and knock the bastered out

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