Posted on Aug 14, 2019
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Has anyone here gone to the USMA after being an enlisted Soldier? I am eligible for the Soldier Admissions Program and have a pretty good shot at gaining admission. My main concern is that I will have to restart college as a freshman/plebe after I already completed two full years of engineering coursework with a 4.0. Is it worth restarting my whole college process to go through the academy, or am I better off commissioning through ROTC? Thanks in advance.
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
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I think that's the first time I've heard of a situation like yours. The "short" answer might be ROTC...you've got a great academic record, in a viable degree, are prior service, and my sense is that you'd make a fine officer; no sense in jumping through more hoops than necessary. On the other hand, I sense you'd also be an exceptional cadet...and while a great deal has changed, being a "ring knocker" still has it's benefits.

Here's the "Pros"-You'd be way ahead of your classmates, both in terms of academics and military experience. You'd likely score higher on the core courses you've already had exposure to, and that may take some pressure off continuing to get higher QPR numbers over the whole four years. As a West Point graduate, you have an instant network that could do great things for your future career...not to mention a whole lot of good memories. If you maintained your current record of achievement, I think it's safe to say you'd be leaving in the top percentiles of your class.

The "Cons"-All of that experience is going to make the "Mickey Mouse" crap a lot harder to deal with. You're going to find it difficult to "fit in" with many of the incoming Plebes, and I think (for me at least) it will be difficult to be under the authority of the Upper Classmen...most of whom won't have any prior experience, and will probably seem pretty ridiculous at times. You may have a very hard time keeping your grades where you'd like them...they say that the conventional wisdom is that you can drop your GPA at least a whole point at a service academy vs. a civilian institution. You could run the risk of having to graduate with a lessor degree, a lower QPR, or both. Four years at "Hell on the Hudson" may convert exceptional stats into moderate achievement...and ultimately cost you in the long run.

At the end of the day, a commission is a commission...and a whole lot of successful officers, including general officers, are ROTC folks.

I sincerely hope that whatever route you take, you find success...they need you.
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Thanks a lot, this is very useful.
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
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One addition-The Naval Academy may be different than West Point when it comes to service assignment. When I was a Midshipman, we ALL received Reserve commissions, and we ALL went to "active duty" after graduation. At the O-3 milestone, one could "augment" from USNR to USN. Things may be very different for Army officers, since you all have the Guard, and that's (if I understand it all correctly) your current component.
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MAJ Javier Rivera
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USMA, if given the choice. I applied when enlisted but because my birthday couldn’t do it, turned 23 y/o one month too early.
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The biggest value i see to the Academy is the network you would build.

The biggest negative is it sets your retirement back 2 years and the time won't count for years of service for pay.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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LTC (Join to see) Given that, I think that the two additional years of Active Service (by going ROTC) would more than make up for the networking benefits of West Point. IMO.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski it's two fewer years of commissioned service as well as a break in service. If he goes ROTC he could be commissioned in 2 years and be on path to retire 2 years earlier. It depends what his goals are and the value he places on the west point network
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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LTC (Join to see) He's saying he has to start over at West Point ...
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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LTC (Join to see) nevermind. That's what you're saying too
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