Posted on Oct 9, 2016
Is job-shadowing a better, or adequate alternative to internships?
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I have struggled to find internships that are more than vaguely connected to the line of work that I wish to pursue when I complete my degrees. I am wondering, would it be an effective alternative to contact someone in the position that I want to be in and ask about job-shadowing for some time - essentially, seeking out an unpaid internship, where they haven't officially asked for one?
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Shadowing is better than nothing, but I wouldn't shadow for too long. With shadowing, you're just watching someone else do their work, rather than doing work yourself. Yes, it's helpful in the sense that you get an opportunity to observe someone else in action, and you can definitely get a feel for their line of work, but shadowing is not particularly useful on your resume. Internships allow you to actually do work that leads to accomplishments that you can put on your resume. Employers care more about "what you accomplished" than "what you witnessed". I tell my students that the pecking order is as follows:
-Full-time work
-Part-time work
-Paid internship
-Unpaid internship
-Volunteering
-Shadowing
-Nothing
You want to move up the pecking order as much as possible.
What line of work are you considering, long-term? That might change things somewhat.
-Full-time work
-Part-time work
-Paid internship
-Unpaid internship
-Volunteering
-Shadowing
-Nothing
You want to move up the pecking order as much as possible.
What line of work are you considering, long-term? That might change things somewhat.
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LTC Kevin B.
SPC(P) (Join to see) - Have you looked into joining any professional organizations? They can help you with networking and finding opportunities. Here's one that focuses on the county and city levels.
https://members.icma.org/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?WebCode=stateassoc
https://members.icma.org/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?WebCode=stateassoc
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LTC Kevin B.
SPC(P) (Join to see) - Here's another that is more broad in scope (includes state and Federal levels).
http://www.aspanet.org/
http://www.aspanet.org/
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LTC Kevin B. Thank you Sir! These look like great resources, I will definitely look into them further.
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LTC Kevin B.
SPC(P) (Join to see) - Glad to help. Also, you might want to cruise the webpages of some of the better universities who have graduate programs in Public Administration. They often provide insights to prospective students, and resources for their alumni. You can also look for similar pages on LinkedIn (either managed by university programs, or the professional organizations). Best of luck to you.
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I like the job shadowing approach because you typically get a chance to see the ins and out of a company's process while gaining knowledge that you might not get with an internship. You also might get firsthand knowledge of any potential job openings before they go public.
Build a name for yourself and you might be able to get your foot in the door before a job is announced.
I tend to look at internships (especially the unpaid kind) as the busy work person. The person that just gets all the work dumped on them that no one else wants to do.
At least when you're shadowing someone, in my opinion, you could be learning something that is actually useful for what you are trying to accomplish.
Build a name for yourself and you might be able to get your foot in the door before a job is announced.
I tend to look at internships (especially the unpaid kind) as the busy work person. The person that just gets all the work dumped on them that no one else wants to do.
At least when you're shadowing someone, in my opinion, you could be learning something that is actually useful for what you are trying to accomplish.
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Sounds like a great approach but the concept out there is "you get what you pay for" with an unpaid internship, so even seeking compensation under those circumstances may be a better idea. My two cents.
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I created an internship by first volunteering for a couple of weeks during Christmas time. There are far less issues during this time, and people are just plain nicer. A couple of nice to do projects were done, and I was able to do two summer internships with the same municipality. Just bring something to the place for them to consider you.
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I have mentored many people over the years and have participated in internships (highly structured, documented and usually evaluated for credit), job shadow (short duration, little structure and if evaluated for credit it is usually limited to a participation grade or an essay grade based on the experience and finally the ride-along (no structure, single exposure) conducted to provide a glimpse of the job like a snapshot,little time to address the why but just to exhibit the how.
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Shadowing is a good way to get the feel of a particular job, but as others have said, you're only watching, not doing. Also, don't know what your circumstances are, but many degrees require some type of internships. If that's the case in your situation you need to check to see if job shadowing counts, otherwise you would just be wasting your time.
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Classic results will vary situation. Saw one comment about local government doing it. Those programs are typically geared to show the public their tax dollars are actually doing something worthwhile. Internships require less management involvement. So the question is what does a company or manager get out of having a shadow. Problem is the shadow has no authority, can't even sit in on sensitive stuff, and is essentially a management burden with likely little potential return on investment. That said, if the objective is to create a pool of folk who will complete their college studies in a more focused manner, you create a better paid intern pool later. So on the Fed side we had shadowing to see interest, summer hire to see if they could function and are still interested, and intern programs which capped out at GS-12 depending on the series so we could grow our own from our farm team. Catching the good ones young is always a benefit.
Bottom line is to match up ongoing workplace interaction while you're doing school so you hit the ground running with a degree. A very interesting intern program is the one Disney runs. You usually work like a dog, but learn a ton about how things really work. Success in a program like that is a good line on any resume.
Bottom line is to match up ongoing workplace interaction while you're doing school so you hit the ground running with a degree. A very interesting intern program is the one Disney runs. You usually work like a dog, but learn a ton about how things really work. Success in a program like that is a good line on any resume.
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One Citizen's Academy that I participated in last fall included a shadowing assignment as part of the curriculum. The organizer of the Citizen's Academy and some of the county employees as well as the other participants select the participants to shadow specific county employees. The county employees that the Citizen Academy participants shadow include everyone from the elected council people to the county manager to department managers.
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I would not do that myself. Seriously, you have to consider what you have been told in another thread. #1 Your not complete with your Undergrad. I had a Undergrad BBA in Finance from a Big Ten University and a decent GPA. Nobody and I mean nobody was interested in me my Junior year for a profession related job without past job experience. What did I do? Sucked it up and got an hourly job as a Night Auditor at a local Wyndham Garden Hotel. From that job I could claim office experience, IT systems experience and Night Manager experience on the resume. It was a crappy $7 an hour job though no matter how you look at it. So if I were you, seek out a VOLUNTEER job near the part of City government you want and go for that and use it to make contacts. But do not call up and offer yourself for free as a unpaid intern. City Government is not hard to crack. During one of my unemployment stints I researched history for the City Historian and got to know some city contacts that way as well as influence some decent sized construction projects. Not the projects themselves but the architecture, paint, etc........via research I did. But the terms of my work were clear I was working when I had free time at my own choice. Unpaid intern your on their terms and I feel your going to be taken advantage of unless maybe you set the terms up front?
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SPC Erich Guenther My thought on this was to ask for an opportunity to job shadow someone near me in the field. I have endless amounts of semi-related experience, what I feel I need is directly related experience, and with all of the internships that I have been able to find, they all seem to be at best, semi-related. I thought this approach would be a way to assert myself into the actual position, to obtain contacts and experience through a different approach. I'm not sure if that's a realistic option, it was just a thought for discussion.
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Since you didn't state what type of degrees, I'll just give you this:
http://vsfs.state.gov/projects
Working well for me so far.
http://vsfs.state.gov/projects
Working well for me so far.
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SGT (Join to see) Sorry, there's a really limited space for a description. I am almost finished with my undergrad in International Politics, with the intent to complete a Master's in Community and Economic Development, and eventually get a career as a Director of Economic Development with city or county administration. I have found a lot of political internships, but nothing in the actual field, and my job searching is showing that all of the positions available now want experience in the field.
I already have a lot of generally related experience, I feel like I need some experience in the actual position, or a directly related field.
I already have a lot of generally related experience, I feel like I need some experience in the actual position, or a directly related field.
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SPC(P) (Join to see) - I still say check out the link. Furthermore, have you tried simply walking into such offices where you'd be looking to work? Relative LinkedIn groups? NPO's?
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