Posted on May 26, 2016
Is RallyPoint supposed to replace the chain of command and NCO support channel?
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Lately I've noticed several two types of posts from lower enlisted people. The first they are asking very simple questions that should be answered by their leadership. The second type, is someone complaining about their leadership. I think the two types are connected, they don't go to leadership with questions and then complain how they are being failed. At what point do we tell these guys to ask their own leaders to force them to do their jobs? Are the lower enlisted just being lazy and not doing their own research?
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I think you are seeing a projection of current social media culture into the military. Many of our soldiers, especially the juniors lived most of their lives in a world where the easiest option is to get answers off the social network. It makes sense that this would extend to the military.
I too get amazed sometimes that someone spends time on some topics that are easily found on the first page of a Google search. The social media habit is the only thing i can think of.
I too get amazed sometimes that someone spends time on some topics that are easily found on the first page of a Google search. The social media habit is the only thing i can think of.
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An excellent discussion topic. Asking for assistance in locating this or finding that is one thing. But I believe you've hit on a delicate point. I believe some people are seeking serious advice or looking to build support for an issue outside of their C of C. To your question, I don't think RP was designed or intended to replace command leadership. But a number of discussion postings have raised some doubt whether or not various SMs are not, in fact, using RP for that very purpose. A very unwise decision on their part. "Hey, Lieutenant, some people on a military Internet site told me to tell you to shove it where the sun don't shine!!!" Uh, huh.
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No, this does not replace Chain or Support Channels. This is meant as a place to chat with fellow service members but also to augment both of the above.
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Id prefer the word augment...
And then ask yourself.. where is the issue?
If the Sm is unable, unwilling to ask those questions of the squad leader, section sergeant, platoon sergeant,. PL.. WHY?
Were they not taught that was proper and advisable? (Leadership failure)
Are they too scared of an abusive response? (Leadership failure)
Have they tried before and received only platitudes or nonsense response, but not actual guidance allowing them to discover a solution or reasonable help to solve the problem? (leadership failure)
Or have that had all of that handed to them and choose to not ask the question in a quest to "find the answer on there own, thus impressing the leadership of thier ability to make it happen...
Of course it's just as likely they are a dirtbag , to lazy , to inept to open a book, read a policy letter
And then ask yourself.. where is the issue?
If the Sm is unable, unwilling to ask those questions of the squad leader, section sergeant, platoon sergeant,. PL.. WHY?
Were they not taught that was proper and advisable? (Leadership failure)
Are they too scared of an abusive response? (Leadership failure)
Have they tried before and received only platitudes or nonsense response, but not actual guidance allowing them to discover a solution or reasonable help to solve the problem? (leadership failure)
Or have that had all of that handed to them and choose to not ask the question in a quest to "find the answer on there own, thus impressing the leadership of thier ability to make it happen...
Of course it's just as likely they are a dirtbag , to lazy , to inept to open a book, read a policy letter
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MSG Pat Colby
Just food for thought CSM..
There are a lot of people in Senior Leadership positions that have heard the same damn questions over and over and over again throughout the years, that they dismiss the questions and either refer the Soldier to the Soldiers first line Leader or Google. Seriously, I had some scripted answers for common questions but even then I got tired of replying the same thing over and over. I'd bet that some Soldiers that came to me felt like they got blown off. NOT because I had "Tired Eyes", but it was a routine crap that their FLL should know.
Sorry for being human.
There are a lot of people in Senior Leadership positions that have heard the same damn questions over and over and over again throughout the years, that they dismiss the questions and either refer the Soldier to the Soldiers first line Leader or Google. Seriously, I had some scripted answers for common questions but even then I got tired of replying the same thing over and over. I'd bet that some Soldiers that came to me felt like they got blown off. NOT because I had "Tired Eyes", but it was a routine crap that their FLL should know.
Sorry for being human.
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The overall Command climate in the the Chain of Command will determine how well lower enlisted will respond to their leadership. Leaders, who do not communicate or give clear guidance and guideline will develop poor soldiers. Trust is a two way street and Leaders who take the time to follow up with their Soldiers and continue to develop and mentoring their Soldiers will understand what motivates their Soldiers. This, I believe will develop good soldiers who will not come up on SIR and Blotter Reports. A leader has to have the mindset of continually understanding human relationships and developing good interpersonal skills, which takes time and experience and personal development. Many leader's and Soldiers will always default to their last good and bad Leader's who led or did not lead by example. If good leadership is around these SM's will look at their NCO support channel in a very positive way and will want them to emulate their leaders. That's why we have SGT's Time and NCOPD to continue the development of all SM's to prepare for the next conflict or war.
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No but there are many reasons I feel that drive this -
1) Using RP as a sounding board - doing research
2) Playing devil's advocate and vetting information
3) Looking to capitalize on the experience on RP
4) Complaints about poor leadership - they want to try resolve the issue without getting the CoC involved
5) There's a real underlying issue with their NCOIC or CoC
6) Jr SM's are not well informed - no such thing as a stupid question mentality.
7) Leadership allowing SM's to be lazy
8) Millennials - there's an app for that - really there is.
9) Instant gratification
10) Getting something off their chest - venting.
However regardless the SNCO or CoC needs to invest a little time and drill down to see what's really going on - is it a matter of getting the jr pointed in the right direction or holding their peers accountable to their troops. Hey I've had many LT's ask me questions - never thought of it as a hit on them though more so an opportunity to inform and train them.
1) Using RP as a sounding board - doing research
2) Playing devil's advocate and vetting information
3) Looking to capitalize on the experience on RP
4) Complaints about poor leadership - they want to try resolve the issue without getting the CoC involved
5) There's a real underlying issue with their NCOIC or CoC
6) Jr SM's are not well informed - no such thing as a stupid question mentality.
7) Leadership allowing SM's to be lazy
8) Millennials - there's an app for that - really there is.
9) Instant gratification
10) Getting something off their chest - venting.
However regardless the SNCO or CoC needs to invest a little time and drill down to see what's really going on - is it a matter of getting the jr pointed in the right direction or holding their peers accountable to their troops. Hey I've had many LT's ask me questions - never thought of it as a hit on them though more so an opportunity to inform and train them.
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RallyPoint, like ADP, Central Army Registry (CAR), etc. is a resource. Having been a PV1 trying to read a reg is like trying to read the user manual to an Atomic Plant ... in Mandarin, and it sucks if you only speak Cantonese.
REF: "lazy and not doing their own research?"
Possibly. But when I do respond I will provide the AR and the para. Depending on how convoluted the reading, I will interpret as best I can IAW the couple of days of which I served, which is pretty much what their FLL's will do anyway.
With many of the answers I've seen from other members, it's better they get the answers here than from the Private News Network.
REF: "lazy and not doing their own research?"
Possibly. But when I do respond I will provide the AR and the para. Depending on how convoluted the reading, I will interpret as best I can IAW the couple of days of which I served, which is pretty much what their FLL's will do anyway.
With many of the answers I've seen from other members, it's better they get the answers here than from the Private News Network.
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No it should not, I have the same complaint. This site encourages going outside of the chain of command for alot of basic questions. I tend to stay away from questions that should be left for first line leadership. I also try to point the answer to lead the service member back to his unit. Many will not agree with my response but the chain of command should be the first place a service member goes for questions. I feel this site should be used as a forum to share information but in no way should replace or devalue tge chain of command. I never respond to those that are complaining. I do feel that they should be pointed in the right direction but not always given the answer and to be encouraged to use their chain of command. Great post! SFC Bradshaw
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SFC Roberto Garza Jr.
Yes I agree but there is a fine line between doing the job of the chain of command and supplementing the chain. That's my opinion of what it should be. I get your point though.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC Roberto Garza Jr. "This site encourages going outside of the chain of command for alot of basic questions. "
Ever asked yourself WHY that is? What would your self reflection be if YOUR SM were going to sources outside the NCO support channel?
As a leader, are you more concerned that your soldiers get the support, assistance, guidance they need from YOU, or just that they get it?
Are you perfect? Do you always have the ONLY correct , relative answer?
Are you of the opinion only YOU can provide relative, timely accurate and effective guidance?
Do you teach your subordinates to accomplish the mission? To be self reliant? or ensure they are dependent on you?
Ever asked yourself WHY that is? What would your self reflection be if YOUR SM were going to sources outside the NCO support channel?
As a leader, are you more concerned that your soldiers get the support, assistance, guidance they need from YOU, or just that they get it?
Are you perfect? Do you always have the ONLY correct , relative answer?
Are you of the opinion only YOU can provide relative, timely accurate and effective guidance?
Do you teach your subordinates to accomplish the mission? To be self reliant? or ensure they are dependent on you?
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SFC Roberto Garza Jr.
SGM Erik Marquez - as I stated this site should not be the first, but I never stated that they should not seek out other venues for info but it could cause the Soldier too lose faith in his c h sin of command if he gas to go outside all the time. That's my point.
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Working in JAG I get asked questions on a daily basis that should be answered by other sections. It seems if you throw the work "legal" into your question then it is for JAG to answer. It would be something like, "JAG is it legal to promote my Soldier early if he is doing a good job?" That's not a legal question, it is a G1 (personnel) question and there is a regulation that tells you the requirements for an advanced promotion. I feel too many people aren't willing to research information and therefore go straight to a source they think will help them. If lower enlisted are asking questions here then they probably feel comfortable in asking. Maybe they don't believe in their leaders or are afraid to ask in fear of looking stupid. We need to educate these individuals on where to find the answers. Though I get tired of being asked questions that are not of a legal nature I will always help those who ask me. Whether it is in the office, on the street, or here on RallyPoint, I will always attempt to help someone who has a question. I too learn from these and that in turn makes me a better leader.
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MSG (Join to see)
Thanks for sharing that, makes me feel better that it's not just an Internet problem.
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