Posted on May 26, 2016
Is RallyPoint supposed to replace the chain of command and NCO support channel?
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Lately I've noticed several two types of posts from lower enlisted people. The first they are asking very simple questions that should be answered by their leadership. The second type, is someone complaining about their leadership. I think the two types are connected, they don't go to leadership with questions and then complain how they are being failed. At what point do we tell these guys to ask their own leaders to force them to do their jobs? Are the lower enlisted just being lazy and not doing their own research?
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"The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership"...GEN Colin Powell. It could be this very issue. What would concern me more is when we see SNCO's on here asking questions that PV2 Jones knew coming out of basic.
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SPC Casey Ashfield
This is a great point. While it may not always be the case, it is possible. Another reason is "Joe" feels that their "stupid" question will get some sort of reprisal from leadership. I know new privates would rather ask a stupid question to a peer than get an incredulous sigh and a straight answer from an NCO or salty E-4.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
At least through Rally Point their is a venue for networking and mentorship! This didn't exist before and there are plenty of issues they may not feel they should ask. It's okay to assist as one might help a friend or child. Good opportunity to still be of service and help them become better leaders as they mature in the ranks.
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SSG Warren Swan
Col Rebecca Lorraine - very true ma'am, but if RP is the first stop these Soldiers have....we have a serious credibility issue in the ranks. If they're coming here first, then what does that say about the current crop of leaders? It means everything that is taught is being undone. No one should come here as a first stop, it should be where they can ask their NCOs at the unit level. That includes NG and Reserve NCO's. There is a NCO (SSG Thomas Livingston) on here if you ask him ANYTHING, he will come with an answer pretty quick, and his accuracy rate is damn near 100%. He is not AD either. If they cannot handle it, don't know where to look, or how to research to find it, somethings wrong. If you've made it here, and no one could find the answer there, maybe new uniforms is the least of our worries. RP should supplement the NCO Support Chain, not replace it.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
I wonder if they are just testing the water. They want to appear prepared and informed. Or maybe no one is listening. Good share.
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If they trusted their chain of command, or felt that their questions would be taken seriously, they would go to their command. I don't like blaming junior enlisted for not trusting their command. That is the command's fault.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
CPT Jack Durish - 1LT Michael Jay it is both. It is one thing to vent a little as we are all human, but the internet lacks context and tone.
It is great to help someone if their leadership is truly not helping or if it is a leader looking for advice to better care for someone. I personally believe that the vast majority of leaders have a good heart and try, but some are severely lacking experience. So every time we answer a question that the leader doesn't know we are robbing them of their development. Even if the info is accurate it wasn't gained through experience or direct mentorship within their unit.
It is great to help someone if their leadership is truly not helping or if it is a leader looking for advice to better care for someone. I personally believe that the vast majority of leaders have a good heart and try, but some are severely lacking experience. So every time we answer a question that the leader doesn't know we are robbing them of their development. Even if the info is accurate it wasn't gained through experience or direct mentorship within their unit.
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1LT Michael Jay
When enlisted members welcome their soldiers to go to their officers for answer. In my opinion speak volumes to there leadership to train soldiers. If a NCO can't or won't help or answer simply questions saddens me. It is a testament on the senior enlisted ...ie 1SG and SGM. When I was a junior enlisted...just looking or having the privilege to be giving some of there knowledge gave me the tools to climb the ranks.
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Maj (Join to see)
New to RP, it seems like this is a great place to obtain different opinions and experiences from personnel regardless of rank. I remember when I was enlisted, I made some career choices based on one person's opinion and later when I learned more, wish I would have done things differently. Obviously, RP is not a replacement for NCOs and the Chain of Command, but free advice & mentorship should be taken when available.
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This is quite possibly because the're scared to go to the're command because they've seen what happened to other soldiers
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MSG (Join to see)
So what are you going to do to fix this problem Team Leader? You are in the very best position to nip this in the bud. Be harsh in enforcing standards, but do not drive them away where they wont bring their problems to you.
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SGT Callen Pool
Well I'm in no place to fix toxic leadership mostly in part of me being medically retired. I'm here to give advice and help where I can. If I was still in I would try but at the same time my soldiers never had an issue coming to me with there problems.
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SGT Callen Pool
Thank you for your vote of confidence in me. I guess your right though. I've been rather upset with the way the military has gone since I got out and it's only been 6 months. Sad right?
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No it does not replace the NCO support channel or COC. But if some leaders would do the research and also answer the questions, the lower enlisted would not use this as their outlet. There are a lot of NCO's out there that do not want to help out their Soldiers at all.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
SSG (Join to see) Too many leaders are too 'busy', self consumed and oriented on their own success. Soldiers are available and will disclose/talk when real leaders reach out to engage them. A favorite MG would swoop in, be driven to the troops and engage them - chat- question and easily take the pulse of the unit in about 10 minutes!
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"Replace"...no..."enhance"...yes.
I do not disagree with your comments about the two types of posts you see here but I do not think it is limited to just lower enlisted. I think you can expand it to posts that are truly seeking information and posts that are just rants, or self-promoting or the "angry Veteran" type posts.
RallyPoint is unique in that people can come here and get several different views of a topic outside of their Chain of Command or NCO Support Channel. Does that mean Service Members should not seek answers from these sources? No, of course they should use these powerful tools but lets face it, as Leaders we do not always have the best answer. Sure, we can research and find out, but I think it speaks loudly for the leadership potential of younger service members to try and find the answers themselves and/or to seek secondary views to an issue. I also think it forces us as leaders to do a better job and to support younger service members because I am sure the last thing a leader wants to do is come on RallyPoint and see one of their Soldiers on here talking ill of their Chain of Command or NCO Support Channel.
I do not disagree with your comments about the two types of posts you see here but I do not think it is limited to just lower enlisted. I think you can expand it to posts that are truly seeking information and posts that are just rants, or self-promoting or the "angry Veteran" type posts.
RallyPoint is unique in that people can come here and get several different views of a topic outside of their Chain of Command or NCO Support Channel. Does that mean Service Members should not seek answers from these sources? No, of course they should use these powerful tools but lets face it, as Leaders we do not always have the best answer. Sure, we can research and find out, but I think it speaks loudly for the leadership potential of younger service members to try and find the answers themselves and/or to seek secondary views to an issue. I also think it forces us as leaders to do a better job and to support younger service members because I am sure the last thing a leader wants to do is come on RallyPoint and see one of their Soldiers on here talking ill of their Chain of Command or NCO Support Channel.
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MSG (Join to see)
Wasn't trying to say they were the only type I see, but I'm seeing more and more of them, which I believe indicates a problem.
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SGT Ben Keen
MSG (Join to see) - Oh absolutely! You are right, as one of the senior admins on this site I can share he board view of things we see here. I do have to say, this has been one of the better discussions on here this week so thank you!
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I'll be honest here, when I was in, if I had a resources like RP, I would have had people I could of reached out to for advice on how to improve my situation and better myself, rather than being thrown under the bus as I had, and stonewalled by my chain of command.
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Actually, I remember the days when all moaning and bitching was the purview of the chaplains. Weren't we supposed to take our problems to them to have our "TS" cards punched?
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Soldiers in my opinion are getting promoted to quickly and soon our ranks will feel the effects. For instance these newly promoted E-6/E-7's who have only been in the military 6-10 years have not had the ability to mold themselves or allowed themselves to be mentored by a SNCO. This failure will only lead to poor decision making, poor leadership, poor moral and you will see a military force crumble under scrutiny and scandals.
The military has become a pomp and circumstance/showmanship competition, and what I mean by this is; Soldiers are required to complete online training (SSD, ETC. and fluff their way through it (cheat)) just to get to the next rank. They also don't earn awards like past Soldiers before them, they have become an entitled Force and think everything should be given to them, much like society has become with this younger generation. Soldiers have forgotten a lot of the time honored traditions that come with wearing the military uniform. It's not about the badges or how bad ass you look in your uniform or your Oakley sunglasses. It's a privilege and honor to wear this uniform that says " US ARMY" across your chest.
In my opinion rank, awards and recognition should be earned at all levels. Too many times I have witnessed Soldiers be given awards they didn't deserve or earn but their young leadership didn't want to put in the work to truly award the correct individuals. I have witnessed too many Soldiers receive coins of excellence for no such reason at all other than they showed up in a clean uniform. Today's force and leadership need to take a long hard look at everything we do and don't do as leaders.
Don't take my opinion with hostility or bitterness. I love putting the United States Army Uniform on everyday and believe me I am not a perfect Soldier but I strive to be a great leader and earn the respect of my leadership and peers daily by putting the needs of my Soldiers, Unit, State and the United States before my own. I don't do what I love for the awards, recognition or accolades. I do this job because I value, honor and respect the past Soldiers who wore this uniform before me and want to mentor and lead the Soldiers along side me that are serving today.
The military has become a pomp and circumstance/showmanship competition, and what I mean by this is; Soldiers are required to complete online training (SSD, ETC. and fluff their way through it (cheat)) just to get to the next rank. They also don't earn awards like past Soldiers before them, they have become an entitled Force and think everything should be given to them, much like society has become with this younger generation. Soldiers have forgotten a lot of the time honored traditions that come with wearing the military uniform. It's not about the badges or how bad ass you look in your uniform or your Oakley sunglasses. It's a privilege and honor to wear this uniform that says " US ARMY" across your chest.
In my opinion rank, awards and recognition should be earned at all levels. Too many times I have witnessed Soldiers be given awards they didn't deserve or earn but their young leadership didn't want to put in the work to truly award the correct individuals. I have witnessed too many Soldiers receive coins of excellence for no such reason at all other than they showed up in a clean uniform. Today's force and leadership need to take a long hard look at everything we do and don't do as leaders.
Don't take my opinion with hostility or bitterness. I love putting the United States Army Uniform on everyday and believe me I am not a perfect Soldier but I strive to be a great leader and earn the respect of my leadership and peers daily by putting the needs of my Soldiers, Unit, State and the United States before my own. I don't do what I love for the awards, recognition or accolades. I do this job because I value, honor and respect the past Soldiers who wore this uniform before me and want to mentor and lead the Soldiers along side me that are serving today.
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SSG Warren Swan
"nd believe me I am not a perfect Soldier but I strive to be a great leader".....Staff I cannot give you enough likes for that. It's a simple but not simple truth. When you honestly can admit you have flaws, you're already leaps and bounds above the rest.
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MSG Pat Colby
Sorry but you are painting with an awful broad brush. Not all soldiers fall into your mold. Soldiers follow their leaders example and emulate what they see. When a young Soldier questions the "Good Old Boy (GOB) System" it rocks the boat. That GOB System can fall into both extremes. Either "Lead by Fear and Intimidation" or "Fuck Leading, We're just here for a Paycheck". In both of those systems there are high ranking personnel that have the "Who are you to question me?!" mentality. (*cough Flournoy! *Cough) There is a center line that is pretty wide where most NCO's fall in. Personally my position in the line has changed. The older and Rankier (is that a word?) I got, the more tolerant and understanding I became to find root causes of problems instead of the Younger less-Rankier (E5/6) me that would jump on anyone for the most minor infraction of perceived insolence. In respect to Awards, there is some mystical and unwritten rule that the higher your rank, the bigger Award you need. SCREW Snuffy. He/She just needs a Certificate of attendance. This is especially true for PCS Awards. ETS Awards (First Enlistment) are rarely nothing more than a "Thanks for Stopping By!" ARCOM at the MOST.
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MAJ (Join to see)
How do you define this "younger genertion" of Soldiers? Many more senior NCOs and officers might lump you (and me) into this concept of the "newer generation" just given the date at which we joined the Army. What's the cutoff to be considered part of the "older generation". Entry date prior to what, 2001, 2000, 1999? My point is that older Soldiers always think younger generations are weaker and more entitled and less deserving and less Soldierly. Interested in your perspective on this. Also, I think it's important not to place the blame on the Soldiers themselves, but on the system. After all, it's the system, and not the Soldiers, that creates the conditions you describe.
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Maybe because our NCO's response is to Google it. As a junior enlisted I have been told to "just Google it and figure it out yourself" many a times. As opposed to when I get on RP and am given answers with actual help and links to do more research myself on the matter. Perhaps it is because, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, NCO's are getting complacent with their junior enlisted.
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MSG (Join to see)
Give a man a fish.... Your NCOs are trying to get you to help yourself because you will remember it better if you find it yourself. It's just poor execution, a starting point would be more helpful. Try asking for a starting point. Tell them the answer when you find it, if it was me I'd tell you if I learned something.
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PFC (Join to see)
To them Google is the starting point. Now I am not complaining by any means. Sure it annoys the hell out of me but I have been in the Army long enough to know where to look a majority of the time nowadays. However, for newer privates being told to just Google it time and time again teaches us that we can't depend on our NCO's when we need help.
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MSG (Join to see)
I agree SSgt David Jones, just trying to help PFC Caitlynn Geigel keep faith in her NCOs.
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PFC (Join to see)
MSG (Join to see) -I have faith in the ncos that have shown they care about their soldiers. And having been in 3yrs I try to show leadership to the newer soldiers. I intend to prove my leadership before I become an NCO so soldiers understand I am there for them.
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Personally, I feel there is a twofold answer here. One, the youngsters are more accustomed to relations via social media than we older folks are. It could even be said that some are more comfortable in this kind of relationship than they are in a real face to face connection. Second, lets be honest, this is far easier than actually approaching their leadership. Real hard to get your feelings hurt in here... It's not real after all.
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