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I overheard a higher ranking NCO tell a lower enlisted soldier that he needed to take his Nike running shoes off and never let him catch him wearing Nike again. I’m curious as to whether or not he’s allowed to tell him that. I know as service members we really can’t involve ourselves in any political matter but isn’t this going too far? Just curious. Any thoughts?
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SPC Greg Campbell
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DAMN, life must be crappy for troops today. may times my XO, platoon daddy would knock on the door and have a beir. they went as far as removing their 'rank' read shirt and place it on a bunk. many times the XO would sit a play backgammon till the wee hours. Top was the same, hey Top, got a minute? guess its all on the situation your in, I was a line wrench in a Armor unit in Germany in the 80s.
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PO2 Cryptologic Technician (Interpretive)
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As a fellow NCO, I believe your instincts told you that interaction was inappropriate, and that as a leader, you quietly stepped in to remind your colleague of this fact. I hope the situation wasn't simply left there.
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SSG Troy Martin
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Tell them respectfully that you don't agree. If it is Unethical, Illegal, Or it is against the law. Stand Down but you should know the law.
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SFC Dave Nutter
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That NCO is si far out of his lane he is driving in oncoming traffic
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PVT Mark Zehner
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It depends is he out of regs wearing them? If so he was well within the limits if not the nco could be in trouble!
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Not at all or if regs. They were regular black Nikes.
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No.
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PO2 Bill Reardon
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No. A superior cannot tell a junior what to support.
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SGT George Duncan
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Not unreasonable to infer the comment was politically based. He didnt repl the Soldier not to wear red or blue shoes again. He didnt tell him not to wear running shoes when he should have had on other appropriate footwear. He told him not to wear a specific brand of footwear. If, in fact, it was based on the specific brand, the NCO is an ass and needs retraining, or other corrective action.
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PO1 Richard Norton
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The Junior Enlisted should file charges against the NCO.
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Roger that brother.
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1SG Charles Simpson
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Soldiers are forbidden to wear certain items of clothing that could be deemed to subscribe to anything that could be in contravention to established law or that would bring discredit or demeanor to others but I don't think the Nike brand would fall in any of those categories. The NCO who issued the order to remove the shoes was clearly in the wrong but the order itself could probably not be considered an illegal order by definition so the soldier being given the order should probably follow it and lodge a formal grievance against the NCO through his/her command channels. If that doesn't work, lodge an IG complaint outside his/her chain of command.
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SSG Troy Martin
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True Top
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SSG(P) Vertical Construction Oc/T
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If they have an emblem on them yes they are not to be worn for they show support for the organization so it cuts both way why the regulation states NO emblems
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1SG Charles Simpson
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Read the regulation carefully, using correct grammatical laws. the phrase. "(no logos)" in the first sentence of the paragraph clearly applies to the socks only and is mentioned nowhere in the statement providing restrictions for the shoes. The order to have a soldier remove running shoes merely because the name of the manufacturer is visible would not stand as valid under any form of UCMJ scrutiny.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) Respectfully, I have to disagree with you. The regulation applies to socks only. Not running sneakers. In no way shape or form can leadership tell a soldier they cannot wear a brand of sneakers so as long as they’re within regulations. In which case this soldier I’m speaking of was wearing all black Nikes. No violation.
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PO2 Bill Reardon
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SGT Eli Haslage upper management is out of touch
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PO2 Bill Reardon
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SSG(P) (Join to see) I think he was told not to wear them anytime which means you’re wrong again
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SFC William Huse
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I never had any problem with suggestions, but a person needs to be able to make up their own minds when it comes to any kind of political issues.
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I agree SFC.
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SSgt Daniel d'Errico
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Just as you cannot campaign for an delagate in uniform or on base, you cannot be told who to support. Except for POTUS, SECDEF or your commanding officers. You only support whom you want in office, outside of the higher ranks' juristriction.
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COL Franchisee
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The NCO obviously screwed up. He should have explained how Colin Kaepernick and Nike naming him their poster child is not something to be glorified so wearing Nike shoes and clothing made by slave labor in Indonesia should not be worn. Instead, go to Nine Line Apparel (https://www.ninelineapparel.com/) and get some!
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PO3 Timothy Martinson
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Must be a marine
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SSG Troy Martin
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Well If you looked at my uniform then you will know your wrong unless you are a unlawful valor thief.
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Brad Miller
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Assuming this is at a time/place where non-issue running shoes are permitted? The NCO's authority doesn't extend that far. Military personnel give up (temporarily) a lot of civil rights (you can't run a war by committee!), but not the right to your personal opinions.
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