Posted on Jul 25, 2017
Is the awarding of the Meritorious Service Medal being watered down due to lack of standardization across the services?
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I recently attended an Air Force Boot Camp Graduation and I saw an Air Force SSgt (E-5) and an Army SSgt (E-6) each wearing an Meritorious Service Medal (Both with less than 12 years service). Now I know there are some difference between branches of service, but this was very surprising considering in the Marine Corps there is a very high standard required to receive the award. Opinions please.
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In my 26 years of active duty I never received one. I guess it all depends on how the award was written up. I have noticed that there is a big difference in awards given for each service.
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Servicemen that bitch about who has medals and who doesn't have a problem. The reason some people get them and others don't is a matter ignorance. You just can't look at a person and determine why he/she has a MSM. It takes a general officer to approve a medal recommendation. I got mine an an impact award that was mission related. I also got 2 higher awards for other missions. I was assigned to a Tier 1 unit. People that want lots of ribons should have joined the Air Force. Life is not fair and some of the times that applies to medals. All depends on where you serve, what you did and who commands you.
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I have been retired for 24 years but I know from personal experience that, even though it’s not specifically documented, there was an unwritten rule that the MSM was for field grade officers and Senior NCO’s. I had an E-6 retiring at a command level assignment and submitted the citation for an MSM. In no certain terms, I was called into the commander’s office and told that the proper retirement award was the commendation medal. It doesn’t surprise me that the requirements are being watered down. I see constantly where DFC’s seem to be handed out like hot cakes.
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My unit tried to fuck me. They wanted to give me the lowest award possible. U dont even get a medal, just a certificate for my deployment. Everyone else e4 and below were getting arcoms. I did everything that the others did. They tried to give me a lower award only cuz they were in iraq 3 months longer than i was. It was bullshit. And after i plead my case to my platoon sergeant he agreed and he saw to it that i got an arcom.
Point is awards are based on your actions your valour and courage, bravery. Not Time in Service and not your rank. So buy what yer saying we should strip all dead or alive medal of honor recipients because of thier time in service wasnt to your liking or thier rank. And lastly it you never said if u actually served. If you didnt then i would shut my mouth and move along as its none of your business.
Point is awards are based on your actions your valour and courage, bravery. Not Time in Service and not your rank. So buy what yer saying we should strip all dead or alive medal of honor recipients because of thier time in service wasnt to your liking or thier rank. And lastly it you never said if u actually served. If you didnt then i would shut my mouth and move along as its none of your business.
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GySgt John O'Donnell
First off warrior, I’m very confident of my service, and I share my profile to, so all please feel free to view it.
Second, you are 100% correct that awards should be based on your actions, that is not the point of the question. Achievement and Commendation Medals recognize superior achievement, as in your case. That said, the MSM and higher have in the past recognized a level of leadership and performance that would be very hard to find a ranks E6 and below due to their level of responsibility.
Lastly, to my point across service branches. A Commendation medal for an E4 in the Marine Corps would have at least required a billet assignment twice their rank. The fact that you stated that “all E4s and below” received ARCOMs for deployment only supports my underlying question that award standards need more oversight.
Second, you are 100% correct that awards should be based on your actions, that is not the point of the question. Achievement and Commendation Medals recognize superior achievement, as in your case. That said, the MSM and higher have in the past recognized a level of leadership and performance that would be very hard to find a ranks E6 and below due to their level of responsibility.
Lastly, to my point across service branches. A Commendation medal for an E4 in the Marine Corps would have at least required a billet assignment twice their rank. The fact that you stated that “all E4s and below” received ARCOMs for deployment only supports my underlying question that award standards need more oversight.
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When I was in the Navy Achievement Medal (NAM) became known as the Normal Achievement Medal. Some people received the award for merely doing their job in a mediocre fashion while other did earn it. It depended on who you knew as to whether or not you got the mexal.
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This decoration was established by Executive Order 11448 on Jan. 16, 1969. This award was established as the counterpart of the Bronze Star Medal for the recognition of meritorious noncombatant service.
Source: afpc.af.mil
Source: afpc.af.mil
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