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Annually divisions spend millions to fund a week of CIP inspections that assess a units readiness based on a semi-annually created checklist. Is this a good assessment of a unit or is the process outdated?
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Millions? Where are you getting that number? I would disagree that the process is outdated. Checklists, maybe, but a good OIP coordinator ensures inspectors are maintaining relevant checklists. I guess the question begs, What is the alternative?
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CSM, this was an extrapolation I made Army wide in terms of annual funds, I admit the figure may be too high; hundreds of thousands may have been a more accurate assessment. I think CSM (Join to see) , CPT John Hermida, and 1SG Steven Stankovich are correct in that it paints an accurate picture of the current Command and if they prepared itself for the inspections
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Sir, I think that parts of the CIP are outdated; specifically some of the checklists used for the MICP in the back of most of the ARs. And to be quite frank, some of those ARs are also out dated. With that being said, ICIs are important because they give an incoming CDR a snapshot of where their unit stands on readiness as defined by the Army. Based on those results, CDRs can adjust fire on how they are going to train and allocate resources in order to bring up those areas that may be lacking. SCIs are designed to show the CDR if those processes he/she have implemented are working. Then there are the SAVs which are designed to spot check areas and provide immediate feedback to either "fix on the spot" or identify external resources required to fix a problem area. So the CIP does serve a purpose, but it is not an all encompassing tool to determine readiness and some of the checklists are outdated.
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What a well thought-out and detailed response MSG Stankovich. Thank you for that development and I definitely can see the inspections usefulness as a CDR snapshot.
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I think it's pretty outdated and bet this will get relooked in the coming years when we go back to being a garrison Army. I don't know that they'll throw it out (probably not), but I don't think the program is necessarily a good assessment of a unit. Rather, it's a good assessment of how a unit can conform to a checklist and make sure they prepare for what higher headquarters is looking for.
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1SG Chris Brown
Yep, pretty much the way I've seen it to sir. Instead of just doing our job, we run around trying to make sure a checklist gets "SAT" markings while ignoring a lot of bigger issues. Unfortunately for you, there are a lot of years left of it potentially. For me, maybe only a couple more inspections, at most!
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1SG Chris Brown
SSG Hasbun - exactly! I do like the go/no-go better than the old points system though. At least now we're looking at the overall preparedness of a Soldier for promotion rather than just seeing if he can get a bunch of questions right. With the current setup, a Soldier can get some wrong and do just fine.
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SSG Hasbun that is a very good example of a similar Army process! However is there any permanent fix? Or does this become another part of the paradigm of well-intentioned Army policies that are poorly executed. I feel like leadership has their hands tied when these inspections are fit into such small windows that no real AAR process or re-evaluation can be completed.
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