Posted on Aug 24, 2014
SSG Robert Burns
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Confederate flag
Im doing this pole in reference to another question since it can't be added to it after the fact. No response is necessary if you don't want to, just trying to take the survey. If you'd like to comment you can go to this thread as well. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/displaying-the-confederate-flag-on-your-pov-or-person-while-on-a-military-installation
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SPC James Lewis
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I do not look at the confederate flag as a sign of racism,but as a point in our nation's history that was a sad time,that also had family against family.I know some people view this flag as a racist icon,but it is not,it's history.
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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A bit of historical perspective here: that Infamous Rebel flag is based on the St. Andrews Cross on the Scottish flag; St. Andrew was the patron saint of the Scots-Irish, and the rank & file of the Confederate Army was very much Scots-Irish in ancestral makeup. If any of y'all are interested, later on I'll post links to a couple of books that cover this subject in greater detail.
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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The connection is that the Stars 'n' Bars design is based on the Scottish flag--diagonal white cross on a blue background (which is also part of the UK's Union Jack in combination with the red St. George's Cross of England--which in turn is based on Christian imagery--when St. Andrew was crucified and thus became a Christian martyr, he chose to be placed in a diagonal position as he deemed himself unworthy of being crucified in the same physical position as Jesus Christ (similar to St. Paul's rationale in choosing to be crucified upside down).....in other words, the design of the flag was NOT based on racism but rather ancestral (Celtic) and religious heritage, thus rendering validity to the modern-day Rebel flag supporters mantra of "heritage, not hate."

Senator Webb's book covers this in greater detail.
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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CPT Christopher Webb
CPT Christopher Webb
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1LT L S, take a look at James Webb's book, Born Fighting. It will answer ALL of your questions about the Scots-Irish and the profound impact they have had, not just on the South, but on the entire country.
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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Thank you, CPT Christopher Webb , you beat me to it!
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MAJ Staff Crna
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Sorry maybe not offensive but I don't understand the need to fly the flag or have bumper stickers with it. Seems to be purposely trying to send a message of agitation in my opinion. I guess I have never known or heard a good reason to hold dear to this flag after 150 plus years.
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COL Randall C.
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SSG Robert Burns, the answer to the question (according to the a 2011 Pew Poll) is No, the majority of America does not consider the Confederate Flag as offensive (69%). However, there are three times as many that do consider it offensive (30%) when compared to those that have a positive reaction to it (9%).

When looked at by race, 41% of Blacks had a negative reaction, but still the majority (48%) were neither positive or negative towards it (here's a strange one ... Blacks had a slightly more positive (10%) reaction than Whites (8%))
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PO3 Shaun Taylor
PO3 Shaun Taylor
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and I bet most of that 10% were from the south or loved the dukes of hazzard.
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SSG S3 Operations Nco
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Whether the flag itself is "offensive" is not the issue. If a person is offended, it doesn't matter what the intent of the person displaying the flag was.
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SSG Tim Everett
SSG Tim Everett
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The First Amendment only guarantees that the government can't abridge your free speech. It doesn't mean you have a license and writ to say whatever you want without consequence. The thing that most people seem to forget when they trot out the "BUT MAH FIRST MENDMENT RIGHTS!" argument is: you are not free from consequence.
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CPT Assistant Operations Officer (S3)
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I am not trying to be that guy but isn't this just a ploy to get points off another discussion that is very active at the moment.

Hard times take desperate measures.
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SSG Robert Burns
SSG Robert Burns
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LOL, no. You can't add a poll to a question that already exists. That's why I said go respond in the other question. You don't get points for actual votes on the poll.
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Sorry, I stopped reading after the word "Is."
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SSG Robert Burns
SSG Robert Burns
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Sorry i shoulda considered that. ;-)
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SSgt William Quinn
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Interesting blog on the historical perspective from pre civil war to today with Christian freedom fighters in the Sudan.

http://southernfriedcommonsense.blogspot.com/2019/07/is-it-christian-to-fly-confederate.html?m=1
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SSgt William Quinn
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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As the descendent of a Union Soldier, yes it is. It is a symbol of insurrection, oppression, intimidation and everything else that was wrong with the south IMHO.
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SFC Melvin Brandenburg
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I don't find it offensive unless used in a WP March. I see it as a part of our history. I would never serve the ideals that gave birth to it, but I see it as a historical reminder of what we should not stand for.
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SSG Environmental Specialist
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First lets be correct about this, the flag pictured is the flag of the army of northern virginia, not sure how it became associated as the confederate flag. Second say what you want I do not think it should be flown, the whole confederacy stood for oppression.
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