Posted on Apr 11, 2018
Is the Constitution of Liberland sufficiently libertarian?
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Liberland aspires to be the new most free country on the globe, but its Constitution has some alarming points. To me the worst one is probably the "land fees." Is this country really living up to the hype?
https://liberlandpress.com/2015/06/liberlands-constitution-is-it-libertarian-enough/
https://liberlandpress.com/2015/06/liberlands-constitution-is-it-libertarian-enough/
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Libertarian government is an oxymoron... sort of like Military Intelligence, but worse.
https://robertlindsay.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/libertarian-utopia.jpg?w=500&h=370
https://robertlindsay.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/libertarian-utopia.jpg?w=500&h=370
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
Well... you're right, in that anarchism is just philosophically consistent libertarianism...
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Depends what sort of libertarian one is. For the anarchist libertarians this is too much control. For the minarchist libertarians this is a decent start but needs some serious refinements and edits. Assuming they aren't exterminated by one of their neighbors, they have to fund the government somehow.
I am not sure I would call them a country yet. I would say at best they are a proto-state. Under the declarative theory of statehood they seem to be lacking in the government (since it is in process of forming) and capacity to enter into relations with other states is questionable at this point.
I am not sure I would call them a country yet. I would say at best they are a proto-state. Under the declarative theory of statehood they seem to be lacking in the government (since it is in process of forming) and capacity to enter into relations with other states is questionable at this point.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
SGT David T. good thoughts. Liberland does have a number of offices around the globe, each with the capacity to enter into relations with the host country. According to the Montevideo Convention, a nation state must have (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states. Liberland has all of these.
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Its impossible to have a truly free country. Who will protect it, how will they be paid? A 100% free country has no laws, what about murder or theft? What about jails?
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
SPC David Willis Most people who believe in Freedom understand that Freedom doesn't mean you can hurt others.
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SPC David Willis
SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA - True, but without fees and taxes, laws cannot be enforced. Sure citizens can for vigilance brigades, but they can also start to war with each other. Some evils are necessary.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
Liberland currently has voluntary taxes and projected land fees. However, many libertarians have devised means of providing judicial services without taxes.
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I think you have posted about this before. That’s like the King Ranch in Texas claim itself it’s own country. I wouldn’t waste anymore time.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
COL (Join to see) that territory is already claimed by another nation. Liberland is not.
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Read the article. It needs improvement but it's well done.
Some of their points I had no issue with and others only small issues, no show stoppers.
Taxation is going to be the tough but to crack but I'm interested to see what they come up with.
Some of their points I had no issue with and others only small issues, no show stoppers.
Taxation is going to be the tough but to crack but I'm interested to see what they come up with.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
LTC (Join to see) - if you're interested, Liberland now has an official tag/group you can follow at rallypoint.com/locations/liberland
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA Sticking a flag on a very small piece of land and calling yourself a country, does not make you a country.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
Sgt (Join to see) Indeed. According to the Montevideo Convention, a nation state must have (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states, but it does not have to be recognized by other states to exist.
Liberland does meet all four of these requirements.
Liberland does meet all four of these requirements.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA - Let me know when it is recognized by a legitimate country. Why are you interested in this small parcel of land?
Liberland is a micro nation claiming an uninhabited parcel of disputed land on the western bank of the Danube, between Croatia and Serbia. It was first proclaimed on 13 April 2015 by Czech right-libertarian politician and activist Vít Jedlička.
Liberland is a micro nation claiming an uninhabited parcel of disputed land on the western bank of the Danube, between Croatia and Serbia. It was first proclaimed on 13 April 2015 by Czech right-libertarian politician and activist Vít Jedlička.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
I'm interested in the libertarian experiment. A new nation founded on Freedom, this time with the lessons learned from other countries such as ours.
Liberland is the only country claiming its land. That's not what I would call disputed.
And as I noted, according to international law (the Montevideo Convention) a nation need not be recognized by others to be legitimate.
Note also that Liberland is larger than both Monaco and Vatican City, both recognized nation states.
Liberland is the only country claiming its land. That's not what I would call disputed.
And as I noted, according to international law (the Montevideo Convention) a nation need not be recognized by others to be legitimate.
Note also that Liberland is larger than both Monaco and Vatican City, both recognized nation states.
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