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Why is it that every time some mentally defective person goes into a school or movie theatre or any other public place (which is 9/10 times a gun free zone) and shoots up the joint, the NRA gets blamed? Are people actually so ignorant to think that the person who committed the atrocity was a card carrying member of the NRA? Or is this just a cop-out by the low information voter crowd who likes to blame a tool and not their own failed gun free zone policies? So, what say you RP?
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SFC (Join to see)
They are the biggest name out there that supports gun rights, so of course they are the biggest target. But they know that and are prepared to fight for our rights when many others just simply give in to society.
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Cpl (Join to see)
I have to disagree, john. They aren't the biggest supporter. The founders in the 2nd Amendment speak for the people. We didn't take oaths to the NRA, but we did to the US Constitution.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
Cpl (Join to see) How many people do you know of who have taken the oath but still ignore/redefine/disregard the 2nd Amendment?
I today's context, SFC (Join to see) is right -- the NRA is the biggest, most recognizable name among supporters of gun rights, and therefore the biggest target.
***edited to add: Damn zombie thread!
I today's context, SFC (Join to see) is right -- the NRA is the biggest, most recognizable name among supporters of gun rights, and therefore the biggest target.
***edited to add: Damn zombie thread!
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It wasn't the NRA that caused the shootings. It wasn't the gun that caused the shootings. It was the individual that did the shootings.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
But let's not forget, it was the anti-gun crowd that made the gun-free zones that invited the mass shootings in the first place.
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SFC (Join to see)
Oh I know, and they sit back and wonder why no one at the schools stopped them. I carry concealed, and I know it isn't right, but I have been places where I probably shouldn't have been, with a gun in my pocket. But if my kids are there, it is my responsibility as a parent to protect them, no matter what. I would give my life protecting them and if I went to jail for carrying illegally, and my kids survived, it would be worth it and I have done my job as dad.
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The only blame that should be placed is on the shooter. Guns are not the problem.
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SFC Jim Ruether
It's 5-0 sir! Cpl Sain is more mainstream among veterans than you are it seems from the results. A gun is like a tool. It can be picked up by a good man and used to do good like a soldier or a police officer. It is a piece of machined steel. It can't load itself or fire itself without the input of the person who picked it up. A gun can be held by a bad person too who's intent is evil but you don't punish all the gun owners because of the actions of a few. And you punish the few who do use guns to hurt others to the fullest extent of the law......no exceptions. By taking these people off the street or putting them in the ground you fix the problem.
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No the NRA is not blame for mass shootings SSgt Alex Robinson. That would be comical if nobody bought into it. Unfortunately many of the people who buy into that logic suffer from cognitive dissonance and don't fault Planned Parenthood for selling the body parts of pre-born infants who went through an induced abortion.
Individual people or groups of people are the ones who are responsible for killing many others. There may well be a significant number of factors involved in why the killing take place. Mental illness, drugs or alcohol consumption, vengeance for real or perceived injury, the thrill of acting out a fantasy, etc. can each be one of the factors involved.
Individual people or groups of people are the ones who are responsible for killing many others. There may well be a significant number of factors involved in why the killing take place. Mental illness, drugs or alcohol consumption, vengeance for real or perceived injury, the thrill of acting out a fantasy, etc. can each be one of the factors involved.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
The thing I don't get about the mental illness argument is this: Why do the mentally ill people choose predominantly to go to schools and other soft targets to do their shooting? How often do you hear of crazy people shooting up a police station or gun store? That choice of easy targets bespeaks a rational ability on some level that isn't being acknowledged.
I'd bet my left nut that given the choice between a gun-free school and a school with armed teachers and janitors, a mentally ill person would choose to shoot up the easy target.
I'd bet my left nut that given the choice between a gun-free school and a school with armed teachers and janitors, a mentally ill person would choose to shoot up the easy target.
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The NRA is a boogeyman in the narrative currently popular among those who fear guns. It is the scapegoat for all people who fear living in a free society where personal responsibility extends to personal safety. Obviously boogeymen and scapegoats are imaginary constructs, but that matters not. They are very real to people who fear their own shadows and are willing to surrender all for the illusion of safety. They matter not unless they overthrow the Constitution. In that time We the People who value personal liberty may be called upon to defend the Constitution with more than words and ideas.
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MCPO Roger Collins
4Q. I'm sure the Nazi's had similar opinions regarding babies and research. Absolutely no idea where you got the rather dumb idea about your fear, or lack of fear of firearms.
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SSG Robert Webster
CPT Jack Durish, this reminds me of the quote attributed to Ben Franklin (Pennsylvania General Assembly letter to the Governor of Pennsylvania) - "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Which actually becomes more compelling when partnered with another statement by Mr. Franklin - "While parliament claims the right of altering American constitutions at pleasure, there can be no agreement: for we are rendered unsafe in every privilege." The first one is sometimes used out of context but it is a fitting quote to apply to our current reactions, especially when the second quote is in regards to repealing the Tea Act and the Boston Port Act (Specific to Massachusetts) Parliament actions that partly lead to the Revolutionary War. Is it any wonder why our Founding Fathers wrote the Amendment process the way that they did?
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SFC Jim Ruether
MCPO Roger Collins - I think its the perpetuation of the broken family that has kids flocking to join gangs for a sense of belonging they couldn't get at home. I think its violent video games that have desensitized our American youth and have made killing a game to them with the graphics so real and horrible the kids are feeding off the excitement of taking a life on the tv or the street. We had guns in the home as we were growing up and they weren't in gun safes they were in fancy furniture called gun cabinets or in gun racks on the wall. We didn't worry about our son or daughter taking one down and using it to kill people because we had something more important......we had respect for life.
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MCPO Roger Collins
SFC Jim Ruether - All factors, but the loss of respect for life is and has been inculcated in our society since Roe v Wade and voting for legal suicide, even the provision that was discarded that the elderly should be let die according to Obamacare proponents (Dr. Emmanuel and another I don't recall at this time).
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The emotional attacks of the left on anyone with whom they disagree don't have to be rational, and generally are not. Hatred is irrational.
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I am the NRA. A decorated Army Veteran, Business Owner, Father, Grandfather, brother in arms to all my brothers and sisters out there who have served in the military, medical field and law enforcement. I'm a Scout Master, Combat Lifesaver, Chaplain's Assistant. Do you blame me because I am a NRA member when you accuse the NRA of these violent acts? If we didn't have the NRA our 2nd Amendment Rights as we know them today would have been long gone. If you aren't a NRA member you should seriously consider joining. It won't be any easier to defend our right to Keep and Bear Arms into the future. The NRA does more to educate the public about the dangers of a firearm in the hands of someone to young and untrained than congress does. They do hunter safety education, and the Eddie Eagle Gun Safety message for kids who discover a firearm in the home of a childhood friend or dumped onto a playground of, "Stop, Don't' Touch, Leave the Area and Tell an Adult" has saved countless lives of our children. If the NRA is a terrorist group then I am a member of that group and obviously a terrorist myself. I don't see it that way. I see the NRA as the last Bastion of Hope for our 2nd Amendment rights and urge again that all of you non members consider joining the NRA and through education we can make America Strong again.
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SFC (Join to see)
Amen to that! For those that don't know the NRA has the "Life of Duty" program that grants membership to military members free of charge if you are interested!
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SFC Jim Ruether
SFC (Join to see) - I didn't even know about the Life of Duty memberships Nick but now several hundred of my friends do and I hope they all join or have joined already.
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