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We have been operating on an asymmetrical battlefield for quite some time but the day will come where we will have to focus back on our more conventional TTP'S.
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As a SGM, I'm curious if this is a probing question for simple discussion or one that is serious.
Does your S1 clerk do the same job as a rifleman? I would venture to say that when you ask both of those soldiers to tell you about their deployments, you will most certainly get a definitive view of who was on the 'front line' and who was not.
Conventional, assymetical, coin... Call the fight whatever you wish up in the strategic levels, but rest assured there is most certainly a fight going on, and not everybody fights it.
We all have our roles in this fine machine we call the Army, but to think for a second that there isn't a front line on the modern battlefield, to me, shows either a disconnect from what the soldier on the ground is doing and those who are supposed to command him, or a lack of ability to relate terminology of old to fit the modern war. Both of which are disturbing thoughts.
Does your S1 clerk do the same job as a rifleman? I would venture to say that when you ask both of those soldiers to tell you about their deployments, you will most certainly get a definitive view of who was on the 'front line' and who was not.
Conventional, assymetical, coin... Call the fight whatever you wish up in the strategic levels, but rest assured there is most certainly a fight going on, and not everybody fights it.
We all have our roles in this fine machine we call the Army, but to think for a second that there isn't a front line on the modern battlefield, to me, shows either a disconnect from what the soldier on the ground is doing and those who are supposed to command him, or a lack of ability to relate terminology of old to fit the modern war. Both of which are disturbing thoughts.
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Front line refers to any area where the fight exists, not solely and exclusively to linear combat. Although, in linear combat these lines are presumably much easier to identify, the modern battlefield does not look like it did in WWII.
As we pushed through in the invasion in 03, it's easy to see where the FLOT, or Front Line, or whatever you wish to call it, was. When we established FOBs and JSSs, the book definition of 'front line' gets a little bit harder to identify, but every offensive operation you kicked out from there had its own FLOT, did it not? Every raid, every key leader engagement, every route clearance mission, every patrol, they all had their front line trace relayed back to the battle captain. No, it doesn't resemble the same conceptual idea as it did back in the old days, but again, there most certainly is a front line.
As we pushed through in the invasion in 03, it's easy to see where the FLOT, or Front Line, or whatever you wish to call it, was. When we established FOBs and JSSs, the book definition of 'front line' gets a little bit harder to identify, but every offensive operation you kicked out from there had its own FLOT, did it not? Every raid, every key leader engagement, every route clearance mission, every patrol, they all had their front line trace relayed back to the battle captain. No, it doesn't resemble the same conceptual idea as it did back in the old days, but again, there most certainly is a front line.
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A woman told me yesterday since I'm a female. I'm not in the front line. I told her no such thing anymore everybody is in the front line. I don't think it's outdated.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
The way Iraq and Afghanistan are shaped as wars the front line us anywhere we have a service member standing. Damn hard to tell who is who in either of those fights. Stay vigilant.
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MSG William Wold
"front line" assumes there is a rear "safe place", as Airman sit in a seat in front of a console in Utah flying a drone in Iraq, they may be safe, but if your on the ground in Iraq and anywhere there is the fighting, your in it, or on it.
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ADRP defines forward observer – (DOD) An observer operating with front line troops and trained to adjust ground or naval gunfire and pass back battlefield information. In the absence of a forward air controller, the observer may control close air support strikes. Also called FO. (JP 3-09) See FM 3-09. Otherwise, no, it is not outdated.
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Yes it became obsolete in the Vietnam War, there were no "front lines",and no conflict since has had FEBA, or Front lines, they are as out of date as companies marching towards the enemy shoulder to in platoon formation, or horse calvary charging across an open field with drawn sabers!
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SPC Eric Cunningham
That's just plain incorrect. There were front lines in the Gulf War just as there were in the conventional portion of latest Iraq invasion. They moved rapidly, since we dominated the Iraqi forces, but they were still important as it was conventional warfare. Don't mistake the way things are for the way they always will be. Korea, China, Russia, even Iran would make for longer phase 3 conventional wars. If we skip past what we are doing to what is happening around the world, Syria is fighting a conventional civil war with front lines and claimed territory.
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MSG John Wirts
That's the point the enemy does not have lines, nor do w. Pockets of resistance, small forts easily dis-guarded, the idea of a battleground neatly divided into two sides. It don't fly anymore. The battle of the bulge almost impossible, possibly the battle of the bulges? The battle changed when uniformed armies were replaced with gorilla warfare. Ambushes replaced battle lines. and attacks come from any direction. Much looser and more deadly form of warfare.
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It's not outdated doctrine, but one often hears the doctrinal term asymmetrical battlefield nowadays... Here's another one I haven't heard since retiring in 1999... FEBA...
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
Forward Edge of Battle Area? Taking a shot in the dark here, but that would seem to make sense.
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Not outdated but it depends on the theater of operations, the doctrine during OIF and OEF left us with the understanding that every Soldier, Airman and Sailor is a warrior, but it might change in future engagements
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Front line term has not been applicable since WWII. Area of operation is relevant.
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