Posted on Jan 31, 2018
Is there a current regulation for distance having to drive to drill and what is due the service member?
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Unit has relocated 3 hours away. Some SM have significant drive time. Was there not a regulation that stated over 50 miles lodging was required? Some soldiers are looking at 400 mile round trip.
Posted 8 y ago
Responses: 9
This move has been in the works for over a year. I was not part of the unit during the transition or talks. I am coming in as a newly hired RNCO. Ready to go to bat or do what I can for my troops.
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SPC David Willis
I used to stay at the armory over drill weekends. Someone would bring in a playstation or an xbox and hook it up to a TV we had and watch movies or play games sometimes we would hang out as team or squad sized groups other times just a gaggle. Our CO locked us in (not literally) and folks would relax and have a few beers police ourselves and wake up ready to rock. If you cant put them up in hotels just try to make the stay more enjoyable and more of a cohesion time to hang out so NCOs or team leaders can get to know their guys and vice versa. Other than really good field problems it was the best times I had in the ING.
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32 CFR 100.6.
(e)Reasonable commuting distance. The maximum distance a member of a Reserve component may travel involuntarily between residence and drill training site, in accordance with § 100.5(b)(1). This distance may be within:
(1) A 100-mile radius of the drill site that does not exceed a distance that can be traveled by automobile under average conditions of traffic, weather, and roads within 3 hours. This applies only to those units that normally conduct four drills on 2 consecutive days during the training year, if Government meals and quarters are provided at the base where the unit drills. (The provisions of this paragraph shall apply only to those individuals enlisting, reenlisting, or extending their enlistments after November 1, 1972.)
(2) A 50-mile radius of the drill site that does not exceed a distance that can be traveled by automobile under average conditions of traffic, weather, and roads within a period of 1 1/2 hours.
I don't know about National Guard units though.
(e)Reasonable commuting distance. The maximum distance a member of a Reserve component may travel involuntarily between residence and drill training site, in accordance with § 100.5(b)(1). This distance may be within:
(1) A 100-mile radius of the drill site that does not exceed a distance that can be traveled by automobile under average conditions of traffic, weather, and roads within 3 hours. This applies only to those units that normally conduct four drills on 2 consecutive days during the training year, if Government meals and quarters are provided at the base where the unit drills. (The provisions of this paragraph shall apply only to those individuals enlisting, reenlisting, or extending their enlistments after November 1, 1972.)
(2) A 50-mile radius of the drill site that does not exceed a distance that can be traveled by automobile under average conditions of traffic, weather, and roads within a period of 1 1/2 hours.
I don't know about National Guard units though.
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I have never heard of an Army Guard unit providing lodging other than a tent or an armory. The Air Force side normally provided a hotel for their folks over 50 miles. I was always over 100 miles and just paid for a hotel room. I did the armory for years, but that wasn't conducive to much rest at night. Maybe a little pressure on your command to help these soldiers out. Can't be good for retention.
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SGT (Join to see)
My 8 months drilling with AF, I was always provided hotel and chow hall.
Branches are going to have there differences but, as you stated, this isnt good for retention.
Branches are going to have there differences but, as you stated, this isnt good for retention.
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As most have stated, if there is funding, lodging in kind should be provided for any service member over 50 miles. Unless this was some unit that these soldiers were just in love with I would start looking for a unit closer to home and transfer.
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My unit before transition had a policy for these things although the funds were never “available” for soldiers to utilize the policy. Instead they opened the armory to the soldiers and let them sleep there. After our transition that practice is still in effect.
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If the unit or even higher level command(s) have a Lodging In Kind policy, then the Soldiers can utilize this if they meet the distance requirements.....and if there is funds.....and if there is a Government Purchase Card holder. What the distance is for each Soldier to be authorized a hotel room will be based on the local policy. For example let's use a MUTA 4 BTA, the 807th MCSD LIK policy is that 51-99 miles are given 1 night. 100 and higher is given 2 nights. For a MUTA 6 BTA, 51-99 are given 2 nights, same as 100-149. 150 and higher are given 3 nights.
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SGT (Join to see) last I knew it was up to the MSC if they utilized the Lodging in King (LIK) that provides Soldiers a hotel room (could be shared with like gender and rank) for 50 miles or more for one night and two nights if over 150 miles (not 100% on that number). Some also offer money for travel up to $300, but I do not remember the details on that. But like all things it is dependent on funds. It was started originally for those who were cross-leveled for deploying units and were involuntary deployers to support them while they went to drill and training with units that are potentially states away.
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The "Lodging Requirement" can be fulfilled with simply a cot in the drill hall if there aren't funds for lodging. The big take away if the unit is beyond reasonable commuting distance is that soldiers can submit a 4187 requesting transfer to a closer unit and command cannot deny it. I had to go through this battle back in 2010 with a unit that was an 8 hour drive each way.
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SGT (Join to see)
The unit has purchased 70+ cots. And they have been told they will be given the box nasties. I have yet to sit down with my leadership to get first hand info since I have yet to on-board.
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SPC Joshua Griffin
Hi SGT John Muns, sorry to resurrect an old post, but I'm having an issue similar to what you mentioned. I'm moving to another state and the distance would be 8+ hours from my current unit. I submitted my IST packet (along with 4187), but am being told that they are under no obligation to acknowledge my request for transfer. I have, however, been told by others that command could not, as you mentioned, deny my request for transfer since I'm farther than the 55 mile radius. Since you've been through this battle, can you point me to the reg that shows I can not be denied transfer. I have been unable to find anything so far. Thanks for your time and attention.
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There is no lodging requirement per se, but Lodging in Kind (LIK) is a benefit that is available as long as there is funding and comes with it's own local guidance and regulations. Independent Duty Travel (IDT) is another bucket of funding available. Being outside of commuting distance (50mi) would authorize one night and 150mi two. That said a unit move that puts a hardship on soldiers should be escalated all the way up the chain of command. I imagine this didn't happen overnight. What guidance was given in the months leading up to this?
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