Posted on Apr 27, 2016
Is there an AR stating that a Specialist has to go to parade rest for a Specialist?
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I'm am a specialist assigned to a infantry unit, in my squad we have two team leaders who are also specialist. I respect that they are team leaders. But lately they have been giving corrective training for not going to parade rest or by not addressing them as specialist when I myself am a specialist. Is there an army regulation or anything supporting there actions?
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Unless it's demeaning - a relative term for Marines - learning to follow will make you a better leader. Time will heal it.
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If your unit places them in a position above your own you do. In a Service or HQ Company there are often E8s in staff, they are bound to follow the orders of the 1SG. In the Field Artillery there are two SFC in the firing platoons, one is subordinate to the other. Thank you for your service.
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Kick your 1sg in the gear box and tell him you possess a NCO position and should be hard stripped as a Corporal , to stop conflict.
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Spc, think about it for a little bit, if the roles were reversed and you were the one in charge, what would you said?
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Wow. I know that, what's the new word, war-fighters believe that they are the best generation of soldiers, ever- but in Vietnam, airborne infantry, this would have been considered the source of chicken feces and well, I cannot imagine it or see the rationale for it. Glad I am just old.
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The going to parade rest for NCOs (or even specialists) is pretty dumb. In the mid-60s, we would have thought you were a junior martinet for insisting on this. A martinet Army isn't a good Army.
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When I was in during the 80's, we didn't go into Place Rest for anyone under an E8.
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That’s why the Army must use the Corporal rank for those in leadership positions who are at pay grade E4.
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The only regulation I know re: going to PR for another specialist, is what is his Line/Duty position on the unit's TO&E? If he's in a leadership billet, then you respect the duty position, if not the person. Period. But sergeants who know what they are doing can command that respect at any grade.
I have been in units, where the brass would use whichever sergeant needed the leadership training or experience, for the toughest job around....first sergeant. Imagine if you can, a buck sergeant, e-5 giving orders to e-7s on a daily basis. Seen it happen on more than one occasion. Often, in the HHC of one Battalion I was in they would do that with young e-5s, right before sending them off to their various leadership courses.
In such units as an HHC unit, the units practically run themselves, and it's often a way to find out if the up and comers have what it takes, before having any real responsibilities that come with the rank.
I have been in units, where the brass would use whichever sergeant needed the leadership training or experience, for the toughest job around....first sergeant. Imagine if you can, a buck sergeant, e-5 giving orders to e-7s on a daily basis. Seen it happen on more than one occasion. Often, in the HHC of one Battalion I was in they would do that with young e-5s, right before sending them off to their various leadership courses.
In such units as an HHC unit, the units practically run themselves, and it's often a way to find out if the up and comers have what it takes, before having any real responsibilities that come with the rank.
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