Posted on Nov 8, 2015
MSgt Deborah Wilson
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My son joined the Army 3 years ago and his enlistment is almost up. He wanted to join the Air Force, and took the ASVAB and all of his scored were in the mid to high 80s, unfortunately the AF recruiter blew him off. The Army recruiter was relentless. So to make a long story short he join the Army and is in Infantry.

So what I am wondering, is there still a Green to Blue Program? If so where can I find out more information on it?

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MSgt John Carroll
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The Air Force is currently accepting prior service in these AFSCs. http://www.docdroid.net/kCfNqTe/fy16-prior-service-afsc-list1.pdf.html
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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Can he cross train into one or does he have to have held the equivalent in his branch?
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It says that he has to have a 5 or 7 level in that job already, which he wouldn't coming from the Army except in EOD, but you said he's an 11B.

Most coming from Infantry tend to go into Combat Control, TACP, and Pararescue.
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MSgt John Carroll
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Sorry, I can't help you there. That is a question for a recruiter.
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MSgt John Carroll
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Maj (Join to see) - Even in EOD there is some problems. For a while ARMY students weren't going through "nukes" division. We got a former Army guy and had to send him back to school because he was never trained in nuclear weapons. He had 5 years EOD under his belt but wasn't 3 level qualified in AF standards.
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I know there is a Blue to Green program, as I have served with a number of Soldiers who used to be Airmen, but I've never heard of the reverse.

http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/current-and-prior-service/continue-serving/transitioning-services/blue-to-green.html
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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When I was still active duty there was a guy that worked for me than came from the army under that program
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SSG Paralegal Specialist
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I think the ASVAB score will be an impediment. Mid 80s is going to hold him back. He needs to be in the mid 100s. Before he ets he needs to talk to his 1SG and education counselor and see if he can go to the course to increase his ASVAB scores. This should be step 1 regardless of desired branch of service.
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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These are the scores he has from the Army ASVAB, the AF scores them on a 99 point system, so high 80s are not bad.

Here are his scores:

Gt 119 admin 122 cmbt 121 elec 120 fa 121 mech 117 food 120 commo 121 maint 120 tech 120
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In that case I guess he is good. Those scores qualify him for a lot good jobs in the Army. Best of luck to him.
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Is there still a Green to Blue Program (Army to Air Force)?
Maj Chris Nelson
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The Air Force, like all branches, are seeing a cut in numbers. It is far cheaper to bring in a brand new recruit off the street then to bring in a prior service person at a higher rank with time in service.... With that being said, much of it depends on what the Army MOS is/was and what AFSC in the AF the individual is going for. It is all about needs of the service. I went from Army enlisted medic to AF officer RN. The AF needed nurses. If he qualifies for a career path that is hard to fill AND is low manned, things can happen, but short of that....may be pretty difficult.
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I'm seeing a few comments here that are getting confused about the ASVAB score. What MSgt Wilson is referring to is the AFQT, which is the only score shared by all of the services. It has an upper limit of 99 and its sole purpose is to categorize you. If you score below a 50, you are a "B". If you score 50 or above, you are an "A". Each of the services then decide if they want to take you based on that. When I was recruiting the Army wouldn't take any GEDs that weren't in the A category, and if you were in the B category regardless of education you were considered an "Other", rather than say a high school graduate.

After the AFQT each of the services interprets the ASVAB into their own line scores. For recruiting, the Army does not look at GT. That's only for schools once you are in. Everything else goes by one of the other scores, such as CO for Combat Operations. In any case, the ASVAB in question is three years old and the Air Force might want him to retake it before considering him.

Really, the only one who can answer this is an Air Force retention NCO. I don't know about where he is, but some installations have multi-service retention NCOs in the Welcome Center for this kind of thing. If he can't find one, he can check with his Brigade Retention to point him in the right direction.
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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He is at bliss
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SSG Construction Engineering Supervisor
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I'm a current Army recruiter and yes there is a message that says Air Force is accepting prior service with less then 8 years for special ops and other jobs.
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SPC Theresa Pierce
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There used to be a time when transferring from one branch of service to another - well, it was never easy but has been done. Today's military has changed with the draw downs and the determination of this administration to cut back our military forces - that transferring from one branch of service to another has gotten even harder to do and almost impossible. The MOS your son has - has to be transferable and something the Air Force is in demand for and need to fill positions. The reason to change branch of service has to be compelling and the Air Force has to want and need to have his skill. Increasing the ASVAB score is not enough. Army career counselors and advisors would best be able to answer that question for him. It's always best to go to the source - so his information is as accurate as possible.

Should your son consider ETSing, it would behoove him to do his research before making a decision of leaving - talk to the Retention NCO to get the facts on this. From what I understand, the military - his old branch or another branch - recruiters don't take prior service members anymore.

Perhaps he might consider staying in the Army and obtaining a secondary MOS might be a better route for him. If he plans to make a career of the military one way to improve his position is to look for resources within the Army to help him improve his chances for promotion and a job he would be happy performing. The Army has many career choices. But he has to do his due diligence, and discover the right questions to ask. Increasing his ASVAB scores can help him select a secondary MOS and give him more job choices in the Army.

Best wishes for your son, with the decisions he has to make. Hopefully he'll get the answer on how he can transition from the Army to the Air Force. But if he cannot, I hope he finds the right advice on how he can better his skills in the Army. But the good thing is that he has a good range of options to find what suits his needs and the Army's needs.
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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His army ASVAB scores are:

Gt 119 admin 122 cmbt 121 elec 120 fa 121 mech 117 food 120 commo 121 maint 120 tech 120

He does want to stay in the military.
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My recommendation MSgt Deborah Wilson would be to have your son sign up for the "fast class" if he hasn't already, to boost that GT and other line scores. I also hope he's been using his army TA for 3rd level education. The Air Force is pretty restrictive, but I know they're taking certain MOS.
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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MSG (Join to see) - one of his dreams is to become a warrant officer to be able to fly helicopters
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MSgt Deborah Wilson - Yea those line scores are solid, disregard my suggestion. I saw the 80 something you said for total Asvab and thought maybe there was something he could do to bring a 110+ to everything but he should be good to go on that aspect.

You mentioned he wants to warrant to become a helo pilot. Has he looked into the Army warrant officer program to do that?
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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Not yet, but I think he wants to but he said his work has been so busy that he has not even had a chance. Eventually they will have to let him going to talk to the retention office since his out date is in April.
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MSgt Electrical Power Production
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If he is getting close to his ETS/EAS maybe he could transfer to the Air Force Reserve or Air Guard. And then try going active AF from there after tech school. Could be worth a try. I tried going active AF when my enlistment ended in the Corps but had no luck. Of course that was in the mid 80's. Sorry not much help! But wish your son luck in the future!
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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I switched from active duty Army to the AF via the Air Guard path. Its a good way to make the transition.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
I had a few buddys go that route also. It can work and is a option. Glad it worked for you!
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
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He has thought of taking that path but nervous about not being able to make his truck payment if he did go reserves or guard.
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MSgt Deborah Wilson
That is understandable!
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check http://www.recruitersneverlie.com they may have some information on that plus he will a signed and approved dd form 368
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