Posted on Feb 13, 2016
Is wearing a combat patch required? Did you feel you earned it in a support MOS?
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A combat patch doesn't mean you saw combat, it just means you performed your duties in a wartime environment. The vast majority of people who wear a "combat patch" were not in combat. There's no reason for you not to wear it.
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CPL Wilfred Roberge
I never left the base and worked in an office but you know what? I proudly wear my patch because I was away from home for 11 monthes, I didn't see my family, I deployed when so many people said I never would (I'm epileptic), to me it is an honor. Even if we aren't busting down doors we're or outside the wire we could still get killed so I think that qualifies us!!!!
The caught an Iraqi National working on our base pacing distances just like the NVA guy was in the movie Green Beret's so we could have gotten mortared that night if someone hadn't spotted him.
Have some pride!!!!
The caught an Iraqi National working on our base pacing distances just like the NVA guy was in the movie Green Beret's so we could have gotten mortared that night if someone hadn't spotted him.
Have some pride!!!!
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SPC Mark Griswold
He is probably in a unit that makes the distinction between combat and "anything else". This probably also means that it is his unit that is implying that he should be ashamed. My unit was like that.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
Sir....how would you define “duties done in a Combat Environment” as different that the basic requirement for everybody’s favorite, the National Defense Service Medal (which IIRC is to join duding known time of conflict) ?
I suppose Ive kinda answered my own question...Time of Conflict vs Environment of Combat...but what’s your take on this?
I suppose Ive kinda answered my own question...Time of Conflict vs Environment of Combat...but what’s your take on this?
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SPC Dollins, you were deployed to a wartime theater, doing the job you were trained to do. If you were a helicopter mechanic in the desert, you kept the birds flying that supported the infantry, armor, and cav units at the pointy end of the spear. As a grunt, I want to thank you for doing your job and keeping the birds flying. I have always had the utmost respect for the maintenance and support staff that supported my unit. Without your efforts that for the most part go unnoticed and seldom recognized, the guys at the front wouldn't be able to stay in the fight.
Wear that patch with pride, knowing that you did your part to support the team mission!!
Wear that patch with pride, knowing that you did your part to support the team mission!!
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I whole heartedly agree with MAJ David Wallace! As an aviation maintenance officer, it pains me to think a 15D didn't feel like he was a critical part of the team. Maintenance drives operations and your actions in a high OPTEMPO deployed environment not only contributed to the success of the mission, but think about the lives you saved by keeping those aircraft flying so people didn't have to drive on the roads? We all have our roles to fill and I join several others in thanking you for doing it to the best of your ability!
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No you are not required to wear your authorized SSI-FWTS which is better known as a combat patch. The vast majority of those that deploy never see "combat" and they are lucky for it.
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So you wouldn't count a FOB getting IDF? You're still in harms way even if you're not out toe to toe engaging the enemy. It's jot as sexy, but we all have jobs that support those in the fight.
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SPC James Dollins
We did see ALOT of IDF. I didn't realize how the deployment affected me until we got home. I did earn that patch as much as I didn't think I deserved it.
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Everyone has a job to do and it is important that they do it well in order to support the big picture. Not everyone will be required to engage the enemy and that is fine. Some FOBs and COBs were attacked and others were not. Some convoys were attacked and others were not. I have told many Soldiers that because of the mission there is no need for certain units to engage the enemy offensively but that does not mean that they did not earn that right shoulder sleeve insignia for wartime service.
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SGM (R) Antonio Brown
I understand what the regulation states. I was addressing the second question.
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CPT Richard Fematt
Gives the soldier wearing it credibility when it comes to leadership! I for one look at a soldier in a different perspective when I see the patch regardless of MOS! The Army fails it soldiers when a high ranking officer or SNCO is placed in a leadership position...even if the leader is good at doing his/her job there is no way he will understand his soldiers who have deployed and are experiencing problems!!!
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CPL Wilfred Roberge
CPT Richard Fematt - Sir, my Brother's unit deployed to Kosovo in 2000 and they didn't get combat patches and were there for 6 monthes and they even got shot at a few times by snipers while working at and arround Camp Bondsteel so can't always judge a book by it's cover.
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Yes. I questioned whether I wanted to wear mine or not when I first got back, and actually didn't for a while. I met my first squad leader, and he told me to wear it and have pride in my service. If I don't have pride in what I've done and where I've been, how am I supposed to inspire new troops as they begin their service?
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The Army has identified the "combat patch" as the Former Wartime Shoulder Sleeve Insignia, for the same purpose to identify those that supported a Wartime Mission whether as a maneuver unit or its combat and service and support brethren. If you deployed regardless of your job, you have earned it.
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Remember, it is a SSI-FWS (Former Wartime Service). Did you serve in wartime? Supporting the war effort while deployed? You earned it.
You can wear any SSI-FWS patch to which you are entitled. You are NOT required to wear any. Though it may be "encouraged."
You did your job, I would wear it.
You can wear any SSI-FWS patch to which you are entitled. You are NOT required to wear any. Though it may be "encouraged."
You did your job, I would wear it.
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I absolutely hate this question.. and I hate the thought process that has made this question arise. A combat patch is earned for serving in a combat zone. It does not mean you saw combat, participated in combat, or even saw IDF. It simply means that you deployed, as I said before, to a designated combat zone.
Things it is not: Combat Action Badge
If a soldier didn't "earn" a combat patch he wouldn't have had it awarded to him. If you want an identifier for a soldier seeing combat look for the CAB/CIB. If you want an identifier for a soldier having deployed to a forward base in a combat zone look for a combat patch.
Perhaps the Army should consider calling it a "Deployment Patch" or "Hazardous Duty Patch"
Things it is not: Combat Action Badge
If a soldier didn't "earn" a combat patch he wouldn't have had it awarded to him. If you want an identifier for a soldier seeing combat look for the CAB/CIB. If you want an identifier for a soldier having deployed to a forward base in a combat zone look for a combat patch.
Perhaps the Army should consider calling it a "Deployment Patch" or "Hazardous Duty Patch"
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SGT Eric Dziekan - I used two awards to show that type of award generally shows combat, not the combat patch. I also never said anything about judging anyone for having it or not having it. I honestly don't care if a person has one or not. I'm happy if you honorably serve. I suggest rereading my post for what it was instead of the attack you seem to have taken it as.
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SGT Eric Dziekan
I see the point your trying to make. I looked at your words: "if you want an identifier for a soldier seeing combat look for the CAB/CIB. If you want an identifier for a soldier having deployed to a forward base in a combat zone look for a combat patch.
This wasn't a generalization and it left a lot out that weren't authorized the CAB due to date of inception and I knew of several 11b that got CiB while riding a desk.
This wasn't a generalization and it left a lot out that weren't authorized the CAB due to date of inception and I knew of several 11b that got CiB while riding a desk.
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SSG Clyde Koontz
"Shoulder Sleeve Insignia - Former Wartime Service" - (SSI-FWTS) pretty much says it all. ¡WARtime Service!
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