Posted on Feb 16, 2015
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Yes, why don't we just throw money and soldiers at the problem just like the last 3000 years of unrest and tension in the Middle East (sarcasm). Maybe I've become cynical but I'm tired of supporting American intervention and seeing nothing change except our gross national debt.

You can't give people stability and order, they have to want it for themselves. To be frank I think that these burnings and beheadings are doing wonders for the region. When the pilot was killed nearly every Muslim country and Imam came out against it and for a second I saw solidarity in the region against a common foe.

Let the situation escalate and someone over there will deal with the problem and improve themselves for accomplishing a great feat without our help.
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If ISIS wasn't moving into Europe and across our border is agree.
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Western Intervention won't stop that. Politicians live by short term solutions and that's what that would be. This is a perfect situation for the Mid East to fix it themselves. They hate ISIS more than we do.

It's hard to sit back and do nothing, but it will be better in the long run.
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Cpl Jared Hege
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Amen
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SPC Joshua H.
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I'm going to add to what 1LT (Join to see) said. No, I don't think we need to sit back and do nothing, but us going in there is not going to be a long term solution. I feel we need to support the governments that are willing to fight ISIS/ISIL with equipment and training.

I would love to see every member of ISIS/ISIL burn, but will have much more effect on their recruiting if it is other Muslims doing the work, and not us. I think once they see this is not how the majority view the religion, maybe fewer will join them. Of course there is also that "gang/bully/thug" mentality...they feel they can just get away with violence because they are "stronger" and of course the stronger take what they want from the weak...
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I've never been combat arms but these guys tempt me to try to become fit enough to do special forces.
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SSG (Join to see) ISIS isn't the only organization doing evil deed to children or human beings alive. When are we going to save the rest of the world? Or we are only going to save the part of the world the media wants us to save?
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I agree Boko haram is a major issue. My understanding is that the African nations are trying to contain it. But Isis is aiming for us, Boko isn't.
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SSG (Join to see) The Middle East countries are trying to contain ISIS.
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ISIS is now burning children alive. When are we going in?
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When are we going in? As soon as I'm the POTUS.
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SPC David S.
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I don't see how pandering to ISIS in hopes of avoiding conflict is possible when ISIS's predilection seems so contrary to that ideal. However removing ISIS's influence from the region will do little in providing stability as the created void would slowly succumb to the next black flag waving the Islamic extremist ideologue.

The problem to fix is much greater than these factions; it is to change the environment that seems to perpetually produce, sponsor, and encourage such malformed ideology. In order to do this we would have to answer "What is the connection between ideology and war?" If we really want to mitigate this ever expanding conflict there will need to be some sort of alignment with our conflicting ideologies. But that is real work, progress, and so much harder to do than drone strikes.

So what to do? save the children by further driving in the wedge? As there is always some short term crisis/gain to be had the long term objective of regional stability will continually be put off to satisfy our conscience of the moment. Being that we live in the reality of now we have to go after those embracing an extremist ideologue as the hope of the situation self correcting seems rather optimistic to me.
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We should not have ever started backing the tossing of the strong men dictators and "democratizing" the Middle East. The idiot policy makers didn't learn their history. All of this flows out of WWI.
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SPC David S.
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Most of that comes from not understanding the dichotomy of the situation. I also feel that as we engaged in the great game we really did a bang up job in our end game. Looking at our policies and tinkering in the region I really don't see how this could of ended up any other way than it has.
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I'll correct myself when I'm wrong. While I don't think the incineration of children is below ISIS, it appears that the report this morning was flawed. It was in fact a demonstration against Assad perpetuated by the Syrians. The scary thing is that ISIS is one of the many groups behind the anti-Assad movement in Syria. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2955345/The-sickest-protests-Syrian-children-young-three-dressed-orange-jumpsuits-locked-cage-activists-chilling-stunt-echoes-pilot-s-immolation-ISIS.html
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SSG Lloyd Becker BSBA-HCM, MBA
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As long as we still have this president, we will never go in.

I am one of the older Chemical NCOs who has been trained in flame warfare. And, I believe in fighting fire with fire. By using flame warfare, it will deter ISIS and will remove a vast number of their fighters.

One needs to look at it this way. There will be colateral damage; there always is. Some innocents will die, but aren't the children counted among the innocents, yet, they are being burned alive.

Once we can change presidents and if this incoming president agrees and congress, I hope they recall me, though, I am 65, I can plan the entire mission. The resources I will need are some from land and some by sea with the ability of having air power. But, I do not use bombs. Bombs are effective against certain targets, flame is effective against all targets.

Until then, all we can do is wait and see.
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SSgt Lucas Dyer M.S.
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I have looked on several reliable open source networks, and have yet to find proof they are in fact burning kids. They have threatened and even posed a photo shoot with several kids in a cage, but have yet to learn of them actually doing so. Where did you get this information from?

http://blueforcetracker.com/article/A-battle-won-by-handshakes
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Anyone think ISIS members would try and cross the southern borders to initiate small scale attacks?
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No doubt. They're a been reports for a while that they are moving cells across the border.
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I'm sure my next statement will prove to be unpopular but, I took an oath to defend the United States. That's it. I understand they are killing kids and that is horrific, but simply put, boots on the ground isn't going to solve this. You are talking a culture long established with vastly different cultural norms and expectations. We cannot change their mindset in a year, or 5 or even a decade. What do you think we have been trying to do the last 14 years? We cant even get the culture in question to accept something like Democracy, let along a diametric shift in ideals and morality. Primarily because we are looking at morality from our perspective and not from theirs. We never take the time to understand what drives the behavior, we just want a giant band aid to throw on it and call it solved. They are a progressive resistant culture and have no desire to change and that's the biggest thing. The desire to be something different isn't inherent. So we can go there and kill all the people perpetrating these current atrocities, but sooner or later, kids will start dying again. Do we continue to go over there and police the world based on our own limited and, often times hypocritical, view of morality every time some podunk little country cant seem to act like we want them to? We need to start winning wars culturally and economically. We can tactically wipe out every nation in the world as we deem fit with very little fear of effective reprisal but that will solve nothing. People will always go back to their default state unless that default is caused to change in slow and subtle ways over time.
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What they are pushing for is a global caliphate under sharia law. They won't stop moving. If you want to protect the homeland you must stop them before it's too late. I don't want another war, but this one is now our fight. This is genocide.
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SSG Leonard Johnson
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That's just it. You all make valid points, and Naduau does also. Does this mean we wait till they get over here? no I don't think so...eradicate these People (Folks according to the current administration, or man caused disasters)

I feel it a waste of time and lives trying to talk to these heathens. And when we do go over to take lunch money....I don't want none of this BS of nation building...We go over kick butt, take their land, resources...and leave....I'm talking all resources. land, gold, money, treasure, oil....they way of the ol skool. yes that is spelled correct
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Even if we killed them all, someone would replace them. We aren't facing the underlying issue at hand. I don't see ISIS overwhelming any of the existing nations there. Eventually they will become detrimental to the powers that be and that will be the end of that. Better to let it be mainstream Islam to police it in this way than another attack by western whites who are afraid of a Muslim dominated world. Which is exactly how they will spin and sell it and how comments above even hint at. Islam is not the enemy. FUNDAMENTAL Islam is. As is fundamental Christianity which tends to torture, burn people alive and and generally be a danger to those that don't share in their narrow and precise view. Sounds familiar to me.
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