Posted on Jun 11, 2015
Isn't it time for police forces to focus less on force and more on real policing = serve and protect?
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Where did "Officer Friendly" go? What happened to police walking beats and getting to know their community? Where did the SWAT mentality/Bullies with Badges come from? Modern training teaches police to be extremely assertive, to yell like drill sergeants and bark orders to civilians, then force them to comply. Is that part of the problem> What's your solution?
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Ok so let's try sending our security forces and military police to help the civilian police with there job all military police I find on almost all base have much respect and they are willing go an extra mile for there job I all ways talk to security forces they are great with the other military members and the family's on base the civilian police like to shoot first and ask questions later
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LTC (Join to see)
That's like asking if military court martials are fair. How can anyone police themselves is the argument. Well if you have integrity you can. The IA section of my police department make up the best and brightest of the department and their integrity is everything to them.
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When you get into a social situation you need to have a positive mind and positive attitude. If you don't , if you can't; maybe you should let someone else be there. Strong emotions of Fear and Hate are hard to hide and can escalate a situation to violence.
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You sir, SGM (Join to see), have flip flopped your way through this entire thread and have no clue of what you are talking about!
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
That's good. It's not easy. You are thinking. Work it out now or come back to it later
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SGM (Join to see)
SGM Wettstein, we respect your opinion, no matter how wrong we may both be. I seem to have one comment other than the question/survey unless they are hidden, so pray tell where the Flip Flops may be? Otherwise, respecting your opinion recognizes I may be wrong...something some police and others in love with their own opinions and perspectives can't seem to manage. If you refer to my votes, I encourage the full ray of opinions supporting a fair discussion, not just opinions that may agree with my own. Note I have a long history of working with fed and local law enforcement of many nations. That doesn't make me any more right than you are. It's just more healthy perspective.
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This is the idea behind creating a police state. As long as there is chaos and people are angry, it justifies a NEED for extra policing. So much money is pumped into new weapons, armored vehicles, and police equipment to "control" the citizens.
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LTC (Join to see)
Who is trying to justify more police? The police? How much money is pumped into police? What new weapons? What new Armored vehicles?
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SGM (Join to see)
SSG Wingfield. Just as leadership is situational, so is "policing". The disagreement over what "policing" means needs debate. Maintaining order and discipline is also a charge of the noncommissioned officer, as is maintaining customs and traditions. History shows us that some customs and traditions were not optimal. History also shows that one must maintain order, but to gain cooperation, one must also create justice. Whenever, wherever people do not believe in justice, more unjust acts occur. At some point, as every revolution proves..the model of Frustration, Confrontation, Escalation repeats itself until the Frustration is relieved in some way, usually manifesting itself in violence. At some later point, cooler heads prevail and work on the root issues, once which is the self-perpetuating cycle of use or abuse that undermine justice.
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I will also say this. Despite my views I will say that I haven't had any negative interactions with police since I was a teenager.
The only times I've ever "been engaged" with an officer is when I've been pulled over for a violation such as speeding that I CLEARLY committed.
As a long-haired, heavy metal listening to teenager I was harassed by cops for: hanging out in front of city hall after hours (I didn't know there was a rule about that. The cop SCREAMED at us to leave. I don't care how bad of a day he was having/how often he had to chase kids away from that area, he could have asked nicely and we would still have complied with his request).
I also got pulled over once for a "safety infraction." I was driving some piece of crap car from the 1970's and a piece of metal from the rear wheel well was coming off (I didn't know that). I ended up with a "misuse of seat belt" ticket because the shoulder strap portion was broken and I was only wearing the lap belt portion.
I could go on and on about the made-up reasons I got pulled over as a teenager (some legit, most not), but that would take WAY too long, LOL.
The only times I've ever "been engaged" with an officer is when I've been pulled over for a violation such as speeding that I CLEARLY committed.
As a long-haired, heavy metal listening to teenager I was harassed by cops for: hanging out in front of city hall after hours (I didn't know there was a rule about that. The cop SCREAMED at us to leave. I don't care how bad of a day he was having/how often he had to chase kids away from that area, he could have asked nicely and we would still have complied with his request).
I also got pulled over once for a "safety infraction." I was driving some piece of crap car from the 1970's and a piece of metal from the rear wheel well was coming off (I didn't know that). I ended up with a "misuse of seat belt" ticket because the shoulder strap portion was broken and I was only wearing the lap belt portion.
I could go on and on about the made-up reasons I got pulled over as a teenager (some legit, most not), but that would take WAY too long, LOL.
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This progressive liberal ideology that "Officer Friendly" needs to come back is a bunch of garbage. It never went away. With the war literally waged by militarized gangs against the police, the ever-growing mass brainwash of our children in the schools by the progressive left and the liberal establishment, the rise of lone wolf attacks, the police have had to take a far more aggressive approach to their job.
They do not know who is who anymore. There are no clear signs of who the enemies are. Much like in Iraq and Afghanistan the blending in to the populace has diminished the capacity the police have of of establishing threat from non threat.
Now are there bullies with badges, yep! But there are bullies in every career. It's just easy to point fingers at the symbol of enforcement. Lest people not forget, the police only carry out the laws created by the politicians, the same as those in the military carrying out their duties set forth by politicians. You want to attack the police then don't expect them to not one up the force those use against them.
They do not know who is who anymore. There are no clear signs of who the enemies are. Much like in Iraq and Afghanistan the blending in to the populace has diminished the capacity the police have of of establishing threat from non threat.
Now are there bullies with badges, yep! But there are bullies in every career. It's just easy to point fingers at the symbol of enforcement. Lest people not forget, the police only carry out the laws created by the politicians, the same as those in the military carrying out their duties set forth by politicians. You want to attack the police then don't expect them to not one up the force those use against them.
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SSG (Join to see)
This is the kind of paranoid nonsense that has led to the militarization of our police forces. There has been a decline in assaults on police and police deaths over the last decade, and the overall number of police who have died on the job is almost identical to the numbers from the 1910s despite there being a significantly higher population.
The aggressiveness of police departments and their viewing the american populace as potential enemies makes their job harder. If police took the time to get to know the people they serve they would have a better understanding of what is a threat within the community. If they would increase community relations and decrease their shoot-first attitude they may be able to prevent an entire generation of children from growing up thinking police are out to get them.
P.S. The only "war" in the U.S. involving gangs is the failed war on drugs. A gang's primary focus is making money. They don't go out looking for trouble with the cops. I'm not sure what brainwashing you are talking about by the liberal establishment, but there is an equal amount of rhetoric being spewed by the right. Lone wolf attacks are extremely rare and something 99.9999% of police officers have never and will never deal with.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/daifacts.html
The aggressiveness of police departments and their viewing the american populace as potential enemies makes their job harder. If police took the time to get to know the people they serve they would have a better understanding of what is a threat within the community. If they would increase community relations and decrease their shoot-first attitude they may be able to prevent an entire generation of children from growing up thinking police are out to get them.
P.S. The only "war" in the U.S. involving gangs is the failed war on drugs. A gang's primary focus is making money. They don't go out looking for trouble with the cops. I'm not sure what brainwashing you are talking about by the liberal establishment, but there is an equal amount of rhetoric being spewed by the right. Lone wolf attacks are extremely rare and something 99.9999% of police officers have never and will never deal with.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/daifacts.html
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FN Michael Sparks
SSG. I respect your comment, and before I have a rebuttal, may I ask, are you a police officer/security? do you go out daily and handle the high volume of calls in that are either in the form of domestic violence, assaults, robberies, shootings, burglaries?
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