Posted on Jul 30, 2016
JAG and those who work in Law, how far are you willing to go to Legally Win?
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Your question seems to question the integrity of those who practice law, and those who enforce it, or the opposite, that they are not committed to their job. What I mean is, if someone does not do whatever it takes within the law to enforce it, defend it, or prosecute it, then they are not committed to that job. While the other implication is the underlying questoon, how far would you go to win? Meaning that one might violate someone's rights to get a successful prosecution or defense. Neither are suitable for anyone in the justice system. Everyone must be fully committed to justice, not the result. Justice is achieved when the process plays out and because of that process a result is achieved.
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SPC Michael Griggs
Capt Seid Waddell - I stand by my statement. The video validated my statement. Anyone willing to skirt justice to tip is scales does not belong anywhere near it. The question seemed to imply that it is very common amongst both the LE and Legal professions. I am not an attorney, so I cannot vouch for them, but as for those who wear the badge, the overwhelming majority of them do their best within the confines of the Constitution, department policy, and case law. There are always bad apples, but they are the exception.
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Capt Seid Waddell
SPC Michael Griggs, I agree with you about those that wear the badge. However, defense lawyers have a difficult choice to make if they are to do their job with vigor; they must either believe that anyone that comes through their door and can pay their fee is innocent, or they must not care about justice and must instead make winning at any cost their goal.
A difficult moral dilemma if they are to feed their families.
A difficult moral dilemma if they are to feed their families.
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PVT William Bresch
SPC Griggs, I mean the complete opposite. I mean standing by your values and even if you lose the case due to corruption, you take it in stride, turn it around and come at it from a different angle to win. I would never ask anyone to break the law just to win. if I did that, then I would be no better then the criminal, I am chasing.
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PVT William Bresch
SPC Michael Griggs - Capt Waddell, thank you for the information. I will put this into my readybook, and study what you have presented. I am always looking to become more knowledgeable Sir.
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PVT William Bresch - A valid question! I've known several attorneys over the years who have a "win at all costs" mentality. Serving Justice is a distant second for them.
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PVT William Bresch
Thats Bad too. MSGT Holt, Those are the ones, who are just sharks and nothing else.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
Those are also the lawyers who are successful. A defense attorney who is not willing to lie will not last long. It is hard to keep getting clients when all of you clients keep going to jail.
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Well, let's break this question down... Everyone should work hard to, "legally win". There is nothing wrong with working hard to legally win and getting the wolf.
I think and reading the comments you're asking is how far will someone go to win... Legal or not legal. The answer should be is NEVER... But we are all human. At times some, and some all the time loses sight on why we are here! To go after the wolf you need to remember a sheep dog isn't the wolf we are here to protect and sometimes we don't always do it because the wolf will do anything to get the sheep! The sheep dog has a standard and a oath that they have promise to up hold! We can't save everyone all the time! However, wait long enough and the wolf will get caught.
Here is the flip side, I know far more attorneys (defense) (I didn't say ALL) that will lie, for their wolf and do far more dishonest shit then anyone to keep the wolf on the street... And always using the Guide that everyone is entitled to a fair defense. I agree everyone is entitled however, you have to be honest about the defense!
I've been in this field for the military nearly 20 years and on the civilian side 11 years in change. I've met dishonest sheep dogs and in the end they get there's! It's said to see! But, there are far more honest sheep dogs then the media /social media would allow you to believe! The true evil are those wolfs and wolfs disguised as a friend.
I think and reading the comments you're asking is how far will someone go to win... Legal or not legal. The answer should be is NEVER... But we are all human. At times some, and some all the time loses sight on why we are here! To go after the wolf you need to remember a sheep dog isn't the wolf we are here to protect and sometimes we don't always do it because the wolf will do anything to get the sheep! The sheep dog has a standard and a oath that they have promise to up hold! We can't save everyone all the time! However, wait long enough and the wolf will get caught.
Here is the flip side, I know far more attorneys (defense) (I didn't say ALL) that will lie, for their wolf and do far more dishonest shit then anyone to keep the wolf on the street... And always using the Guide that everyone is entitled to a fair defense. I agree everyone is entitled however, you have to be honest about the defense!
I've been in this field for the military nearly 20 years and on the civilian side 11 years in change. I've met dishonest sheep dogs and in the end they get there's! It's said to see! But, there are far more honest sheep dogs then the media /social media would allow you to believe! The true evil are those wolfs and wolfs disguised as a friend.
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PVT William Bresch
NO SFC Ricci, I mean within the boundaries of the law. some people quit after losing the first time.
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SFC Giancarlo Rici
Well. If they lose sight right on the 1st one it's clear they aren't meant for this kind of work...
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