Posted on May 14, 2015
Law Enforcement Safety Act: Does the the Air Force have any lessons learned from the implementation of this program? Any issues?
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If you are a current LEO you can carry anywhere under the provisions of the H.R. 218 as long as you don't act stupid...
I would like to know if anyone that has one of these 'PERMITS' has been carded???
I would like to know if anyone that has one of these 'PERMITS' has been carded???
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MAJ (Join to see)
I am stationed at Fort Drum. New York is not a very gun friendly state. It took me 9 months to get my NYCCW permit. When I spoke to a NYSP Investigator about LEOSA a few months ago, he told me that as long as I had Military Poilce on my CAC Card that should suffice. However, we all know the CAC card does not list your MOS/Specialty. I was able to get Military Police placed on my NYCCW. So I am thinking that might work in a pinch....But again that is just a guess. This all goes back to whether or not you are dealing with a local agency that will recognize LEOSA. In NY he told me that there are counties that do NOT recognize LEOSA, even though it is a federal law.
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The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons—the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer"—to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of state or local laws, with certain exceptions.
LEOSA is often incorrectly referred to as "H.R. 218". The act was introduced during the 108th Congress as H.R. 218 and enacted as Public Law 108-277.[1] The law was later amended by the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act Improvements Act of 2010 (S. 1132, Public Law 111-272),[2] and Section 1099C of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 (H.R. 4310, Public Law 112-239).[3] It is codified within the provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968 as 18 USC §§ 926B[4] and USC §§ 926C.[5]
LEOSA is often incorrectly referred to as "H.R. 218". The act was introduced during the 108th Congress as H.R. 218 and enacted as Public Law 108-277.[1] The law was later amended by the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act Improvements Act of 2010 (S. 1132, Public Law 111-272),[2] and Section 1099C of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 (H.R. 4310, Public Law 112-239).[3] It is codified within the provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968 as 18 USC §§ 926B[4] and USC §§ 926C.[5]
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Let me start out by saying LEOSA is a fantastic program, in my opinion. If I had a valid reason for my to apply for it at my current station (UK), I most certainly would. Unfortunately, until I go back to the states, owning a CCW permit of any sort is moot.
That being said, I have a friend of mine who (to my knowledge) is the only person in our entire unit (200+ Security Forces members) that has successfully completed and submitted his application, and according to him, it's a royal pain in the butt to do. There's a huge list of qualification tasks you have to be signed off on, including some that don't seem to make sense, as well as medical and command clearance letters. From the way he talks about it, it seems like it could be much more streamlined if it's truly intended to be applicable to every active Security Forces member and retired members that meet the service criteria. It's an awesome program, but seems more of a formality to keep people from raising a stink about us being "federally qualified" officers and not being able to carry outside of work like civilian peace officers do.
That being said, I have a friend of mine who (to my knowledge) is the only person in our entire unit (200+ Security Forces members) that has successfully completed and submitted his application, and according to him, it's a royal pain in the butt to do. There's a huge list of qualification tasks you have to be signed off on, including some that don't seem to make sense, as well as medical and command clearance letters. From the way he talks about it, it seems like it could be much more streamlined if it's truly intended to be applicable to every active Security Forces member and retired members that meet the service criteria. It's an awesome program, but seems more of a formality to keep people from raising a stink about us being "federally qualified" officers and not being able to carry outside of work like civilian peace officers do.
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MAJ (Join to see)
That's the kind of information I feared. Raise the bar so high that it is next to impossible to obtain. But the credentials are available, so they can't say they are not complying with Federal Law. I can't wait to see where a Commanders personal opinion on CCW hinders someones ability. Even though that is not suppose to happen.
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From what I understand, all active Security Forces are applicable for this. They need to apply for it, & qualify w/ the weapon of choice for their concealed carry. Some bases have allowed for the carry of concealed handguns - of course, this is up to the base commander.
I believe it is a good thing. As a law enforcement officer, you may be "off duty", but you are never off duty. If something were to go down, LE officers should be able to respond accordingly.
I believe it is a good thing. As a law enforcement officer, you may be "off duty", but you are never off duty. If something were to go down, LE officers should be able to respond accordingly.
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They can try to not recognize it, but it is a Federal law, so the State cannot restrict, just as civilian police officers are allowed to carry anywhere (except federal installations where they have no authority). It was a Federal law written by GWB & must be honored in all states, no matter the state law. It was written because of state-to-state reciprocity & some states not wanting to grant it.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Oh I got that. And agree. But A local jurisdiction may choose not to comply. And you may still be charged. But as soon as the case elevates above the local level you should be fine. I was talking with a NYSP Investigator about the NY Safe Act and that is what he was telling me. In gun friendly states this should not even be an issue.
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I dealt w/ it all the time being a police officer in MO. If you crossed into IL & were pulled over, if you declared a weapon (like you should) they would confiscate it, even though you were a licensed peace officer.
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As to limitations, I can see the reasoning on the limitations for 6 yrs of service. Those w/ that TIS are more well versed in statutes & the UCMJ, as well as have probably had some form of supervisory duty, whether it be simply as a senior partner during a base patrol or more.
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What a very specific question. I'm wondering how my AF people know what that is. Could you describe it in more detail in your question for the rest of us to understand MAJ (Join to see)?
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SSgt Brandon Wilcox
SrA Erin Hood, I don't believe there's a distinction between the two, however to my knowledge you have to have 10 years of prior service if you're not currently active.
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Sgt John Steinmeier
There is no longer a division within Air Force Security Forces (as there was when I served on the LE side of the house). The Law Enforcement Specialist, Security Specialist and the Combat Arms Specialist have all been consolidated under Security Forces since around 1997.
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