Posted on Jul 2, 2020
Let’s keep this respectful. Do you agree with the Marine Corps Commandant banning Confederate flags on base?
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Personally I think the only two flags that should be on any USMC base are the Stars and Stripes and the Marine Corps flag anyway.
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I personally don't care. The sight of the flag does not bother me. I guess that is the "white privilege" in me. But, banning the Stars and Bars because it's offensive....so be it. The caveat is that if the Confederate Flag is considered offensive, then remove any flag and/or Standard that is considered offensive. The rub is that if someone is LOOKING for something offensive, they will always find it. In what ever twisted sense they see something as offensive. You can't tell me that someone out there doesn't find the Pride Flag offensive. Or someone not finding a flag of Malcolm X offensive.
The Germans had outlawed anything Nazi. Pins, uniforms, flags, etc.. But guess what, they can still be found. You can outlaw offensive/racist stuff all day long....but you can still find those things. Plus, outlawing the items does not erase the memories.
If the military really wants to be an EO friendly environment....then ban it all except the State Flag, the US Flag, and the Branch Colors/Standards. Again, that still won't erase the memories. That won't erase the history.
The Germans had outlawed anything Nazi. Pins, uniforms, flags, etc.. But guess what, they can still be found. You can outlaw offensive/racist stuff all day long....but you can still find those things. Plus, outlawing the items does not erase the memories.
If the military really wants to be an EO friendly environment....then ban it all except the State Flag, the US Flag, and the Branch Colors/Standards. Again, that still won't erase the memories. That won't erase the history.
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A1C Chris Pointer - What I am saying is that it is possible that someone could be offended by the Pride Flag. And if someone is offended by it, then by logic....they could fight to have it removed.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - My quoted comment was meant as a joke/sarcasm. Again, what I am saying is that there is the possibility. I have no white privilege. I was using them as an example.
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I think it’s one of the more forward thinking moves of the USMC. Not because I have any opinion on it - I don’t. But, I know that the writing is on the wall and that 20 years from now Congress will have banned them on federal property, or else they will be a huge political hot button. Neither of those is something a military commander wants to be in the middle of.
I’m also not surprised because of all the branches, the USMC is the best at branding and defending their trademark. For the Marine Corps propaganda machine if you aren’t helping, you’re hurting, especially if it possibly causes any division amongst the troops.
I’m also not surprised because of all the branches, the USMC is the best at branding and defending their trademark. For the Marine Corps propaganda machine if you aren’t helping, you’re hurting, especially if it possibly causes any division amongst the troops.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Confederate Flags have always annoyed me, more because of the Southern Revisionist history that they represent than anything else. Yes, I hate Gone with the Wind too.
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Look, I was born in South- all my folks fought for the Union, our new family home in TN was taken illegally be the Union. I have researched for years on the hows and why's and KNOW that slavery was Not the bottom line for the war. Respect the hard decisions folks made. Bottom Line- Commanders can ban many things, they want to ban this one, that is their right, troops must go along with it. Have never been happy with idiots using it or the KKK to hide their ignorance behind it.
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SGM Bill Frazer
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff Kelly, rezearch the reason behibd the 1858 compromise, the Federal tariffs of 1859- 1861. How the Representatives of the House of Representatives are approait
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SGM Bill Frazer
SGM Bill Frazer apportioned. Slavelry my ass, you actuallt think dirt farmers from around the South, who barely kept their families gave a damn about Slavery? Thousands, ten of thousands fought for as long as they could and it samn sure wasn't slaves. Hell they had a hard time hiring hands during harvest, and the lived in simple frame houses, not Mansions.
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If you are going to ban something because it is offense to one group then you need to ban anything that is offensive to any group. Otherwise it's discrimination.
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Cpl Peter Martuneac - using that logic then, they shouldn't ban the Confederate flag since there are more who are not offended or simply don't care than there are those who are offended.
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Cpl Peter Martuneac
LTC (Join to see) Not exactly. The Confederate flag, like it or not, is extremely divisive and that fits with their rational of unit cohesion.
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Cpl Peter Martuneac - you could make the same argument for a wide variety of things that some people find extremely divisive and is detrimental to unit cohesion. Bottom line: you can't pick and choose what to ban based off of who it offends.
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A1C Chris Pointer - true. should have said "shouldn't" but the Army has always picked and chose when it comes to what is or is not acceptable. They tell you that you can't put your hands in your pockets because that looks "unprofessional" but then they grant all kinds of ETP for other stuff that looks more unprofessional than a hand in a pocket. I guess I'm just getting too old for the BS. 2 years, 2 months and 23 days and I'm retiring.
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I never thought much about it if I saw them in the barracks. Since it has become more of a controversy, I have heard both sides opinions. The flag was an enemy flag of the day, and did stand for slavery. Maybe it is time to recognize that fact and lock the flag away in museums. It is our American history for sure, but not one to be celebrated.
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The Government should fly (as a nation/federal entities) only those standards that are sanctioned by local municipalities, states and the nation. What individuals choose to fly is their right. When we live on military property we should be obliged to operate under their rules.
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Like I said before, you ban that flag, you’d better ban a hundred more!!!
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Personally, this is about 140 years late and should have been done a LONG time ago.
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